The Super Metroid Legacy Discussion thread

[MR.X]

Um, raocow... For that missile in the lava that was covered by speed booster blocks....... can't you just dash in from the other side?...........

Yep.

Also, if i understood correctly, raocow is not going to get 100% in this game, which is a good thing. The hack is terrible, i got 84%, stuff is hidden in stupid ways. Plus, Metroid is generally not the right thing for you. Your style of going through the game, your commentary, you don´t seem to enjoy the game. raocow + Metroid = a big NO

[flameofdoubt]

Well gosh. Personally i've been really enjoying this LP, as i've said <_< he's actually doing very well at meeting the challenges considering he's not very familiar with the original game. I don't see any reason why raocow+metroid can't = a honeymoon night to remember.

Edit: while there are a lot of "oh what the" moments in the LP, they seem a lot more like "oh right so that's how this game works" and less like "what the hell that's so broken, i can see what they tried to do but it just doesn't work" like as has happened in a few of the romhacks he's done. What i mean to say is i don't think he'll ever get as low-spirited playing good metroid hacks as he does sometimes playing good super mario world hacks.

...unless he plays redesign.

[raocow]

Gonna level with you guys, I'm not exactly 'feeling' this series after 10+ videos. Lots of... of roaming around, a lot more so then AUS. I'll keep going for a while, and some people manage to eek out some enjoyement, but I don't know!

[kilon]

I got the feeling that you just roam around and do stuff but you have no idea what you are doing and why.
Now that's not to uncommon in your LP's, but here it is hard to see any form of progress besides a power-up every once a while.

But so far your commentary hasn't really suffered so that's a good thing.

[GauRocks]

Gonna level with you guys, I'm not exactly 'feeling' this series after 10+ videos. Lots of... of roaming around, a lot more so then AUS. I'll keep going for a while, and some people manage to eek out some enjoyement, but I don't know!

Keep going.

Also, you have to do 100%.

While Proteus reads fanfiction.

Oh, wait, wrong LP. Well, all I can say is that if you're not feeling it this early on, you're allowed to stop. Nothing wrong with that. You're allowed to like some games in a genre without liking all of them. Besides, I think we'd all rather watch you play something that you're having fun with. People say there hasn't been a quality hit, but I was kind of feeling it a bit today, with the whole "I'm over here." "Now I'm here!" "Oh, look, this place" type of exploring going on. Almost like you were just trying to get enough video to get it over with, but you didn't want to resort to random backtracking. Maybe I'm just reading (listening?) too much into it, but if it feels like a chore, you'd be doing everyone a favor if you switched to something more fun.

[GanonTEK]

Just finished the game. Got 95% of stuff. Took me 9 hours something..... I liked the game. I might look for the remaining 5%...might get a map or something....I think some of the stuff is hidden very well. I liked the game. Had a couple frustrating points...would have been easier if I had waited for upgrades....oh well....

@raocow, i can see why you don't like it as much as AUS...AUS is just one of those brilliant little games that just make you smile at the ingenuity and imagination. Legacy is a good game...but searching does take time if you choose the wrong path and have to back track etc but roaming in AUS was just...fun....you didn't mind jumping here and there...and finding secret stuff and everything. Great fun!

[emjay]

Gonna level with you guys, I'm not exactly 'feeling' this series after 10+ videos. Lots of... of roaming around, a lot more so then AUS. I'll keep going for a while, and some people manage to eek out some enjoyement, but I don't know!

You should end it because its not getting better and will just end out of the sudden. Im a big SM fan, Im still playing it on my SNES but this hack really makes Super Metroid look bad, go ahead and play the orignal to know how it should be.

This hack should be named "I played this game for hours and all Ive got is this lousy missile pack". This is the feeling I had when playing it and im very good at metroid :/

[Tolka]

I've been enjoying it personally. your commentary is as good as ever, and let's face it, it's a metroid hack. knowing where your going and having a totally clear path are just not really metroid things. so I was expecting some level of oh, hey, here is something. wait it's just a missile pack bits.

but this hack seems to be rather meh with it's design, and your fun is top priority so, yea.

[Time Traveler]

The hack looks okay so far. It's not great, but it's not that bad either. Plus, watching you wander around not knowing what do do is pretty entertaining (for me at least.) I would say to keep going, but if you ever find yourself not having fun with it anymore then neither will your audience. In that case you should probably abort the LP.

[flameofdoubt]

I have to agree here yeah, if it's not doing it for you then those of us enjoying it now would only have more fun if you were playing something you liked. When you do come to the end of this, assuming it doesn't suddenly bathe you in rainbows and lead you by the hand to the promised land of golden gaming and honey, would you be thinking of going back to SMW for the side B or maybe again branching off like you have done here?

[raocow]

Well, my interested is rekindled a lilttle as tomorrow's video actually has some decent progress.

I guess it's just when I have several videos in a row of 'nothing happening' kinda gets me down!

[RedMageSusie]

Ah, that's good to hear.

The problem is that Metroid doesn't lend itself well to 11 minute spurts it seems. So, it's pretty easy to feel no progress is being made compared to games like SMW or AUS.

[FPzero]

Also, being stuck in norfair for the whole of the middle game is kinda boring. Same scenery all the time...I know that I get tired of the Redesign midgame because of this reason. You're stuck down there for like, 2 hours game time if you're playing at a normal speed.

[MR.X]

Well, as some others have already said that this hack sucks even for Metroid fans:

Stop, raocow. Cancel the LP. The hack gets even uglier later.

[Ryan Cordell]

Really, it doesn't suck that much - it's just mind boggling challenging, even for those who know a fair bit about the original Super Metroid and how it works. You just have to be on your toes the entire time, scan everything, bomb everything, shoot everything, charlie everything, etc.

You could call it the "YouTube romhack" of Super Metroid if you will - the original is far more pleasing and less difficult. If you don't like how it's going, try giving the original a spin. You might like it more than this hack.

I'm surprised you even had the patience to continue on - I know I've had it to get all the crucial items, but the last thing I want to see is you getting angry at the really stupid things this hack pulls off and do something we'd all regret. Thanks for just putting up with the hack and making daily videos, man. Thanks.

EDIT: Around 8:40+ of SML 13, my reaction?

".. AAAHH! That area..! The last energy tank!"

Also, does anyone know whether the maximum missile count is 215 or 220?

[kilon]

Can anyone give an estimation on how many % raocow has completed so far?

[flameofdoubt]

well all the upgrades come to: 7
(2suits/speedbooster/morphball/bombs/5beams/hijump/)
all the expansions come to: 32
2powerbombs/2supermissiles/1reservetank/7Etanks/20missiles)

So about 39% so far?


Also, very nice work on the mid-air morph in the final minutes raocow, you're really improving. Kraid is a very early boss, he usually gives you varia suit, so i'm not suprised you downed him so quickly, though you did do a good job. Gravity suit allows you to roam freely in watery areas, and grants you immunity to lava (not acid though). In truth it opens up probably more new places to go than the powerbombs did, so explore-a-go-go.

[Ryan Cordell]

Just finished this darn hack on 100% at last, whoo.

If you need any help trying to reach a similar goal, I think I might be able to help in pinpointing out where they are.

[Kincyr]

as well as what flameofdoubt said about the Gravity suit, it also reduces the damage you take. in Super Metroid, this stacks with the damage-reduction the Varia suit grants since both suits are equipped.

because of this, the Gravity suit alone provides less damage-reduction than in other Metroid games where the Varia suit is replaced by the Gravity suit.

[FPzero]

I guess I should try and defend Legacy a bit since I had the idea for him to try it out. It's true that Legacy isn't the greatest rom hack. But the more amazing and better ones are often harder. If you think Legacy is hard in terms of difficulty and exploration, there's no way raocow would have survived a hack like Limit or Reverse. If Aegis had been out already I'd have suggested it because it's not made to be hard but is a complete overhaul of the game, more so than Redesign did. SO while it's not the greatest game to play and watch, it's sort of an intro to SM hacks if raocow ever considered trying another in the future. (Though, what with first impressions and all I'm sort of doubtful he'd do another one ever again...) Take the good with the bad. He's probably halfway to two-thirds done with the hack by now so if you don't like it, taken comfort in knowing it shouldn't be too much longer now...

[raocow]

He's probably halfway to two-thirds done with the hack by now

woah, really? I had no idea.

[Luz-chan]

He's probably halfway to two-thirds done with the hack by now

woah, really? I had no idea.

I don't know how far he may be in SML, but yeah, he is pretty far. You've already taken out 2 of the big bad 4 bosses, and a couple of the smaller "mid-bosses." That's well over half the game. Personally, i think raocow may just be a little exasperated from having to run around more than just one big map. I mean, one and a half to two of the areas in Super Metroid can amount to the area that was AUS. This is a lot more back tracking than raocow seems to be used to. Honestly, I think that he's doing fine, but if the game becomes too much of a problem, then maybe he should set it aside, maybe even permanently, if he doesn't feel like going on.

In all prospects, it's all up to raocow. and, having watched my brother start doing a Super Metroid (Original) LP, he records quite a few videos at a time, not because of convinience, but more because he really doesn't get anywhere in just one. That and Save stations are quite seperated, or he just can't find them, so he has to keep playing till he gets to one.

In the long and short of it, good luck, raocow! I hope you do whatever it is that you think would be best, whether it be finishing SML, playing Super Metroid, or just plain stopping at some point and moving on.

[FPzero]

He's probably halfway to two-thirds done with the hack by now

woah, really? I had no idea.

It's true. At this point, You're missing one beam upgrade, two misc upgrades, one upgrade for the top bar and one boots upgrade. That makes 5 major upgrades, 2 or 3 of which aren't necessary to beat the game. You have one more world you haven't discovered at all yet and a good chunk of Crateria too, but aside from that, you're definitely past halfway by now. Of course, this is the harder part of the game so things might actually take longer just because of difficulty (which honestly shouldn't be THAT bad since the difficulty curve is pretty fair in this game). I'm about one or two videos ahead of your progress at the moment so I'll be trying to forge ahead so i can look out for areas you might have trouble with.

[TLs4]

Well, my interested is rekindled a lilttle as tomorrow's video actually has some decent progress.

I guess it's just when I have several videos in a row of 'nothing happening' kinda gets me down!

I feel your pain with regards to the no progress thing... but really... the LP is great so I'd encourage you to keep going!

[Chernobog]

Well, my interested is rekindled a lilttle as tomorrow's video actually has some decent progress.

I guess it's just when I have several videos in a row of 'nothing happening' kinda gets me down!

You've been watching GVirusG's Let's Play of Cool or Cruel, yes? He gets through like 5 seconds of gameplay a video.