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I'm attempting to gather seven players together to play the board game Diplomacy, online, over the course of a few weeks.

Diplomacy is a tense game of strategy and negotiation. It's a game where all players plan their turn simultaneously, and whether your move worked or not depends on what everyone else did. If you can work out a deal with someone, it is incredibly powerful, because troops are weak on their own but can trample over everything with support. But you've got to look out for those backstabs.

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How do you play Diplomacy?
You are one of the Seven Great Powers of Europe, around the time of WW1. See those little sun icons on some regions? Those are Supply Centers. The first player to control 18 of them is the winner. Also, they determine how many military Units you can use -- for each one that you control, you get one Army or Fleet. Battle and negotiate for territory until one player dominates!

I'm going to explain the rules as clearly and simply as I can, or you can read read the full rules booklet here.

Starting in 1901, there are two turns each year, "Spring" and "Fall". Each turn consists of these four phases:
Diplomatic Phase: Players talk and negotiate
Order Writing Phase: All players write their orders, simultaneously and secretly
Order Resolution Phase: All orders resolve at once
Retreat and Disband phase: Players might have a quick choice to make in the aftermath of battles.
Additionally, once per year after the Fall turn, there is the Gaining and Losing Units Phase.

There are four orders you can give, and you will give one order to every unit:
Hold
Move
Support
Convoy
We'll go over these one at a time, while we cover the rules of how units move and battle.

Hold
This is the obvious order to leave your unit in place. If you don't give an order to a unit, this is the default. If you want to explicitly order your fleet in Spain to hold, you can do so.

Move
This is the order to move. Specify the type of unit you are moving, the province it currently is in, and which provence you are going to move it to. "I'm moving my fleet in Spain to Portugal" or, with Diplomacy's standard abbreviations, "F Spa-Por".

Each province can only contain one unit at a time (or zero). Each unit is of equal strength.
Without "support" orders, all units just bounce off each other. If two units attempt moves that are contradictory, they "standoff" and stay in place.
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Two units cannot simply trade places.
Three or more units can "rotate" (as shown in one of the examples), but two units can't just swap. There is a way around this using the Convoy order, which I'll cover later.
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There are two kinds of unit: Army, and Fleet.
Armies can only occupy provinces, land. Fleets can only occupy coastal provinces, and water spaces. When a fleet occupies a coastal province, it is "on the coast", and can only move to other land spaces on the same coast.
Examples, and unique weird geography things

Support
This is the key move of Diplomacy. One unit, without moving itself, can "support" another unit, increasing its power, allowing for more interesting situations than a standoff. You can support your own units with other units, or you can support other players.

The more support a unit has, the more powerful it is. When two units of unequal power try to move into the same space, the more powerful unit succeeds, and the less powerful unit fails to move. If a more powerful unit tries to move into a space already occupied by a less powerful unit, the less powerful unit is dislodged. (unless it's already moving out at the same time)

You can support any unit's movement when you are adjacent to the place it is trying to move.
If I have a unit in Portugal, and my French buddy is going to try to move into English-occupied Spain from Gascony, I can lend support by saying "My fleet in Portugal supports the army in Gascony's movement into Spain" or "F Por S A Gas-Spa". Note that this only works if the army in Gascony actually tries to move to Spain. If Gascony does something else, or someone else tries to move into Spain, then your Support does nothing.

You can support a unit's "standing still" ability simply by being adjacent to it and ordering that support.
If I have a unit in Portugal, and I think France is going to try to push my English buddy out of Spain, I can lend support by saying "My fleet in Portugal supports the army in Spain" or "F Por S A Spa". This will make the army in Spain more resistant to being dislodged, as long as it doesn't try to move. If it's lending support elsewhere, or using a "convoy" order, then it is also holding position, so you can support that. If it's trying to move, however, your support order is invalid.

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Except, when I say "Adjacent" in those last two rules, I mean the support unit has to be capable of moving there itself.
Armies can't support movement to ocean spaces, and can't support a fleet holding an ocean space. Fleets can't support spaces they can't reach (for instance, because it is on the wrong coast).

There's also these two rules:
--A dislodged unit can still cause a standoff in a province other than the one that dislodged it.
--A dislodged unit, even with support, has no effect on the province that dislodged it.
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If a unit is trying to give support somewhere, but is attacked from somewhere else, that support is "cut".
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Convoy
To move an Army across bodies of water, you need to use a Fleet to "convoy" it. The army gets to skip over the water space to its destination in a single turn, but the fleet spends its turn using the Convoy order. Simply order the Army to move from its current territory to its destination, as if they were adjacent. Meanwhile the Fleet in the middle needs to be ordered to convoy that specific army to that specific destination.

To convoy an army from London, across the North Sea, to Norway, you would use these two orders: "Army in London to Norway" and "Fleet in North Sea Convoys Army in London to Norway". Or, to use the abbreviations, "A Lon-Nwy" and "F Nth C A Lon-Nwy".
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You can attack into an occupied territory via convoy. But you'll need to get your support from yet ANOTHER unit, because the convoy itself does not count as support.
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You can even chain multiple Convoys together, allowing an army to travel great distances in a single turn. Each fleet must name the same source and destination in their order. Players can convoy each other, with coordination -- but if you're expecting a convoy that doesn't happen, your army doesn't move.
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There are more rules to cover rare corner cases, but as a new player, you shouldn't have to worry about them until they become likely in-game. And they probably won't. Here's a full list of rules for order resolution.

Retreat and Disband phase
After all orders have been resolved, some units might have been "dislodged". Dislodged units aren't "dead", but have been forced from their location. Quickly, and without consultation, players should choose what to do with those units:
Disband: The unit is removed from the map. However, if you still have enough supply to maintain that many units, you will be able to rebuild it at the end of the year in one of your home Supply Centers.
Retreat: Move the unit to a neighboring unoccupied space. You can't move it to the space that its attacker came from. If two retreating units try to enter the same territory, they both disband instead.

Gaining and Losing Units phase
Every other turn (after the "Fall" turn), we resolve Supply for winter:
(1) Capture supply centers. Supply Centers are only captured after Fall turns. If you end a Spring turn in one, then move out, it remains with its original ownership.
(2) Count supply centers. Count your supply centers, and your units. If you have excess supply, you can build more units. If you have too little supply, you will have to choose units to disband.
(3a) Disbanding units. Simply choose which ones you want to disband, and they will be removed from the board.
(3b) Building units. To build a unit, you must have an empty HOME supply center that you still control. You may place an Army (or Fleets, on coastal provinces). If you have more than one extra supply, and enough places to build the units, you may build more than one.

Like with every other decision in Diplomacy, players write down their decisions simultaneously then reveal.

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And that's the tutorial. If you have any questions, please ask! There are a lot of "what-if" questions that can pop up, and having answers for them will make the game more intuitive.
How will we play online?
We'll have a thread in the Games forum, where I'll post a map with each turn, and announcements and things. You can also use the thread for any talk you'd do in public. Shit talk your opponents, bluff about your unbeatable strategy, make mysterious remarks, etc. For private talk, you can PM each other.
There will also be IRC for more interactive negotiations. When I played this game online, that was the absolute best, I highly recommend it. We can use a standard IRC server like synirc, or maybe set up camp on Rena's IRC server if she's cool with it.

Each turn will last about 2 days.
--You'll have 24-36 hours for a combined Diplomacy/Order-Writing phase. When you have time to play, discuss your intentions with each other and try to figure out what to do. PM your orders to me when you've decided. You can change your orders ONCE, and only before the deadline. This deadline will always be at 10pm PDT.
--I will then process the orders and produce the map for that turn.
--I will also try to get any Retreat/Disband decisions from players during this time. If you can't answer within 12 hours of my question, your units will automatically disband. As soon as everything is settled, I will post the map in the thread and the next turn will begin.
--After Fall turns, there will be the Gaining and Losing Units phase, or the "Winter" turn. This might eat away at the time allotted for next Spring, but if things are too rushed I will bump everything back a day when necessary.

When you PM each other, I ask you to please CC me! A lot of the fun of running this game comes from watching the players wheel and deal. On IRC, I will have a few "meeting rooms" set up where I'll be idling, and I'd love it if you used those so I can read the logs.
When I played Diplomacy on a forum before, it was one of the most fun things I've done on a forum, by far. It's like Mafia, but more intense.

Sign up! You can specify a country, or I can randomly assign you somewhere.

Also, if you have any questions, post away.

Austria (red) -- bkamakaze
England (dk blue) -- Doctor Shemp
France (lt blue) -- Zyglrox Odyssey
Germany (black) -- Aposke
Italy (green) -- O-Card
Russia (white) -- Fluffi-dono
Turkey (yellow) -- Elgadika
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Eh, I'm not that good with strategy games, but I'ma give this a try.

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Hrm.
This sounds like it could be interesting.
After reading that, I think I vaguely know what'd be going on, so I guess I'll sign up and smooth things out as we go.
I suppose I could take Austria, since it's two letters away from 'Straya.

That is, if nobody actually FROM Austria wants it. In that case I can change.
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bkamakaze wrote:Hrm.
This sounds like it could be interesting.
After reading that, I think I vaguely know what'd be going on, so I guess I'll sign up and smooth things out as we go.
I suppose I could take Austria, since it's two letters away from 'Straya.

That is, if nobody actually FROM Austria wants it. In that case I can change.
I think you mean Austria-Hungary, thank you very much. Also, if you do take it, we're now officially bbfs and NOONE WILL BE ABLE TO STOP OUR CONQUEST OF EUROPE
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Aposke wrote: I think you mean Austria-Hungary, thank you very much. Also, if you do take it, we're now officially bbfs and NOONE WILL BE ABLE TO STOP OUR CONQUEST OF EUROPE
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Sure, I'll join. I don't mind who I am so long as I'm not Italy. I'd like to be a nation that achieved something militarily as a unified nation later than the 5th century AD (unified added to discount the entire Renaissance).
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Always wanted to give Diplomacy a try. Can I take Turkey?
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Aposke wrote:Eh, I'm not that good with strategy games, but I'ma give this a try.
It's only super intense on the strategy unless your opponents are super intense on the strategy. 90% of this game is figuring out when to rely on someone and when not to.
bkamakaze wrote:After reading that, I think I vaguely know what'd be going on, so I guess I'll sign up and smooth things out as we go.
Haha, I started the tutorial thinking I could explain this really simply, but I just couldn't condense things enough. Definitely read the manual to learn how Convoys work, and retreating, and the gain/lose units phase.
Doctor Shemp wrote:Sure, I'll join. I don't mind who I am so long as I'm not Italy. I'd like to be a nation that achieved something militarily as a unified nation later than the 5th century AD (unified added to discount the entire Renaissance).
Random.org says you're playing England. If someone else particularly wants England (they start with two fleets!), maybe you can trade.
Elgadika wrote:Always wanted to give Diplomacy a try. Can I take Turkey?
Welcome aboard! I played Turkey when I last played this.
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Here are a couple maps that might be useful/interesting:

The starting positions of every player's Fleets and Armies.
Everyone starts with two armies and a fleet, except England, who has two fleets and an army, and Russia, who gets two of each.

A blocky rectangular version of the map, It's ugly but makes it really clear what borders what.
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Ditocoaf wrote:
Doctor Shemp wrote:Sure, I'll join. I don't mind who I am so long as I'm not Italy. I'd like to be a nation that achieved something militarily as a unified nation later than the 5th century AD (unified added to discount the entire Renaissance).
Random.org says you're playing England. If someone else particularly wants England (they start with two fleets!), maybe you can trade.
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Horikawa Otane wrote:Oh geez I love this game but I don't think I'd be active enough to do it online. For me this sort of game needs to be done in a living room with couches to whisper behind.

Or in a classroom because that's where I played it first. The AP Modern Euro test was over so my teacher brought in his copy and we played this for the rest of the semester lol.
Yeah, it sounds like an absolute blast to play in person. I've only done it online, and it worked out pretty well (forums + IRC are a nice combo for "mail" and "calls" between world leaders). I've heard that it's a classic Play By Mail game, too.


But definitely, the more remote your communication, the more time you need for each turn. Especially if people are otherwise busy. When I played it before, we had 24 hours per turn, which was a bit too cramped, and someone had to drop out, which screwed some things up. I'm hoping 48 hours leaves enough time for some back-and-forth intrigue. There'll probably be a quiet turn or two when people are busy, but sometimes inaccessibility can add to the drama (if it doesn't go on too long).
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all up for it yo

wareng isnt hosting this one so I won't forget to play

(also I will be italy and rule the seas, screw the haters)
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sign me up man, even though I don't get the rules.

oh, and I wanna be Russia.
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Fluffi-dono wrote:sign me up man, even though I don't get the rules.
That's pretty crucial! Having read through the rulebook that Ditocoaf linked, it seems that the really complicated rules that require several readings to understand are obvious patches to cover rare but possible circumstances. So if you don't understand them it may not matter so much but you would need to understand the fundamentals. I found http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/god/one.htm and it does what Ditocoaf did (summarise the rules) but better (sorry Ditocoaf). There's probably a German version of the rulebook somewhere if that would be easier.
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Doctor Shemp wrote:I found http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/god/one.htm and it does what Ditocoaf did (summarise the rules) but better (sorry Ditocoaf).
Haha, no worries. I realized halfway through writing that tutorial that it wasn't working as well as I'd like, which is why I stopped.

But I went back just now and finished it! In case anybody finds it useful. At the very least, it shows the visuals I'll be using in our game.
Fluffi-dono wrote:sign me up man, even though I don't get the rules.

oh, and I wanna be Russia.
That brings us to 6 out of 7 players! All we need now is someone to play France.
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Doctor Shemp wrote:
Fluffi-dono wrote:sign me up man, even though I don't get the rules.
That's pretty crucial! Having read through the rulebook that Ditocoaf linked, it seems that the really complicated rules that require several readings to understand are obvious patches to cover rare but possible circumstances. So if you don't understand them it may not matter so much but you would need to understand the fundamentals. I found http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/god/one.htm and it does what Ditocoaf did (summarise the rules) but better (sorry Ditocoaf). There's probably a German version of the rulebook somewhere if that would be easier.
Wow, thanks! It really helps!
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This looks ridiculously complicated, I think I forgot like half of what I just read, and unless the win condition is "everybody else is dead" I have no idea what the win condition is. Sign me up!
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Zyglrox Odyssey wrote:This looks ridiculously complicated, I think I forgot like half of what I just read, and unless the win condition is "everybody else is dead" I have no idea what the win condition is. Sign me up!
The win condition is "control 18 supply centers". I edited the tutorial's first paragraph to make that more clear.

Welcome aboard, France! We now have a full game!

I'll make a thread in Forum Games and kick this off tomorrow. If you want to start negotiating alliances now, though, feel free to start sending each other PMs! Please CC me in your messages, so I can enjoy watching this unfold.

Spring 1901:
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And if you have any rules questions, please ask! My tutorial might be a bit muddled in places, but I'm sure I'll be able to explain anything.
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EDIT: oh, you deleted this. I'm going to post the answers anyway, in case anybody else finds it useful.
Aposke wrote:A few last questions before the game starts:
Ah, I see. I might have oversold the difference between fleets and armies. They both do the same things 90% of the time.

Ocean spaces are just spaces that only fleets can use. Spaces on a coast are available to both types. Spaces without a coast are only available to armies. Otherwise, they're both just "units". Fleets will move around on land, support attacks, attack into areas, and capture supply centers.
2.) A fleet can "convoy", meaning it can move from one region to another (provided they're along the same coastline) or from one sea area onto a region and invade, seizing the region in the same turn, right?
Moving from one region to another is still called a "move" for a fleet. And yeah, they can move along coasts and do everything an army would there. An "attack" is just a movement that has someone in the way. So you need support to push them out of your way. But yeah, it only takes one turn.

The "convoy" order is a special thing -- I didn't get to it in my tutorial at first, but I updated my tutorial last night to cover it. "Convoy" is something a Fleet can do to let an Army hop across an ocean space.
4.) If both Turkey and Russia moved into the black sea, would this count as a standoff between fleets?
Yep! The Black Sea would remain empty, and both fleets would remain where they are. Sometimes you might want a standoff, just to make sure the Black Sea doesn't fall into the enemy's hands, sometimes you might want to avoid that, to actually get moving.
Could the russian fleet in Sevastopol invade Armenia within one turn, but not Ankara (since that'd require 2 moves, first into the Black Sea, then into Ankara)?
Yep!
5.) How does border expansion work? What are the circumstances necessary to seize another non-neutral country's region? Is that even possible?
Borders don't really exist. The only thing you capture is Supply Centers. The borders drawn on the map are just for flavor, and to mark your three "Home" supply centers, which are the only ones that can build new units.
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