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Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Sebby19 » 3 months ago

FourteenthOrder wrote: At the very least, I'm want to stay as unspoiled as possible for La-Mulana and several of Sebby's comments there have given things away I would have loved to learn through the videos. :c

Honestly I've just kinda started not reading his posts in that thread, sorry ^^;
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby FourteenthOrder » 3 months ago

Sebby19 wrote: Please PM me a list.
I think I overstated things in my frustration. Honestly, looking back, really just this one is the one I was thinking about in particular. What made me stop reading your posts is your kinda fighting back when people ask you to tag things. It just put me in a mode of "better safe than sorry", y'know?
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Mata Hari » 3 months ago

If I were rena I would've coded it so that everything Sebby posts is in spoiler tags

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Postby Mata Hari » 3 months ago

Also the fact is Sebs you may not have had any malicious intent originally but since your failure to use spoiler tags has upset people for a long time, and you've known that for a long time, at this point it honestly is kind of malicious, if only due to disregard.

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby SAJewers » 3 months ago

FourteenthOrder wrote: At the very least, I'm want to stay as unspoiled as possible for La-Mulana and several of Sebby's comments there have given things away I would have loved to learn through the videos. :c

Honestly I've just kinda started not reading his posts in that thread, sorry ^^;
what are your thoughts with ATMM? I feel like people there have been commenting/posting stuff that are giving away things there too like

someone telling him he can dash downwards



(and that's not to mention the backseating on what dub to use currently going on. Like, him play the way he wants :|)
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby KobaBeach » 3 months ago

SAJewers wrote: what are your thoughts with ATMM? I feel like people there have been commenting/posting stuff that are giving away things there too like

someone telling him he can dash downwards

raocow actually did this in Seismic's stage.



I also think "backseating the dub" is the weirdest thing to complain about because like people are literally only going for what would have the funniest chemistry with raocow, plus everyone's already done English and Japanese is just generic.
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Postby SAJewers » 3 months ago

I'm talking more the people in the last video now telling him to go back to the japanese dub.

I think i'm just more used to twitch chat where even a hint of backseating is punished
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby KobaBeach » 3 months ago

the french dub is the funniest one why would you want to go to generic shounen anime shouting

Edit: okay i literally just checked and it's all dumb stupid weeaboos. i vote to ignore them because anime fans don't deserve to be treated with respect

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Postby Kilgamayan » 3 months ago

Because 沢城 みゆきさああああああああああ

I too am surprised that someone would take umbrage with people having voice acting language requests since it has no meaningful bearing on the gameplay, and raoguy's gonna do whatever he's gonna do anyway.

(There's also the economics of "how much should one listen to their fanbase when they literally make their monetary living off of recording themselves playing video games" but that's a separate discussion entirely)
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Postby SAJewers » 3 months ago

like i said, i'm much more used to twitch, where streamers i've watched have very much taken umberage to things like that.
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Postby Kilgamayan » 3 months ago

I figured that was probably it, yeah. I admit I am not a Twitcher so I don't know how frequently streamers (a) prefer not to be told what to do with the games they play, and (b) depend on Patrons/donations/whatever to make a living.
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Postby Grounder » 3 months ago

if rao cared that much about the voice dub he wouldnt have changed it back

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby FourteenthOrder » 3 months ago

SAJewers wrote: what are your thoughts with ATMM? I feel like people there have been commenting/posting stuff that are giving away things there too like

someone telling him he can dash downwards

I'm personally fine with controls stuff being unspoilered, especially if the game never outright teaches you the stuff (like, I played through all of Mega Man 9 like a month prior to raocow's playthrough and didn't realize you could charge the Magma Bazooka until comments in that thread). But, like, it's not hard at all to do something like "Control tip:

advice goes here

" and leave it up to the reader whether they'll click the spoiler.
Like, based on people's varied reactions to things I feel like the safest mindset would be, like, "spoiler tag anything with the potential to be spoil-y, if you think the spoiler's minor or so forth note that outside the spoiler". Maybe?
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SAJewers wrote: I think i'm just more used to twitch chat where even a hint of backseating is punished
backseating rules in a twitch channel i frequent wrote:Are you backseating? (See: Giving unsolicited hints, tips, advice, information about the game, or anything of the sort) naeDERP WELL! You may well get timed out for this! Or you already are! Congratulations, you are experiencing JUSTICE! naeWTF Listen. Backseating ruins games for streamers. It's very frustrating to explain and fight against it every time it happens. naeDERP I want to play this game with veergin eyes, learn on my own, and experience the magic that you once did. Respec the LAW.
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby FPzero » 3 months ago

I guess it just surprises me that this is a topic we have to keep coming back to since 90% of raocow's LPs are blind/semi-blind. It should be a solved issue by now but obviously it isn't. I haven't watched any of the All The Megamen LPs because the series doesn't really interest me, but it sounds like spoilers are extremely bad in the thread and YT comments for them. I just don't get it.

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Kilgamayan » 3 months ago

Not to sound like an ungrateful jerk or a rabble-rouser, but I feel like there's been more public forum staff movement over the most recent wave of complaints than any of the complaint waves before it. That may be part of why it continues to be a problem.

(Obviously I am not privy to what goes on in reports and any theoretical staff forum.)
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Ashan » 3 months ago

KobaBeach wrote: anime fans don't deserve to be treated with respect
Well, that one trailer for this very game surely agrees with you
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby ano0maly » 3 months ago

SAJewers wrote: I think i'm just more used to twitch chat where even a hint of backseating is punished
Ok please stop trying to impose Twitch rules on talkhaus. They're not the same. I explained before why the forums are different from livechat, why recordings are different from livestream, and you shouldn't import Twitch expectations here in a blanket manner without considering those differences.
FPzero wrote: I haven't watched any of the All The Megamen LPs because the series doesn't really interest me, but it sounds like spoilers are extremely bad in the thread and YT comments for them. I just don't get it.
In my view there have been occasional instances of spoiling in ATMM thread but for the most part people are content with it. The problem has been greater in some other threads - or rather, in those other cases the game is more sensitive towards them. ATMM usually sticks to just basic explanation of things as they are introduced in the LP.
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby SAJewers » 3 months ago

ano0maly wrote: Ok please stop trying to impose Twitch rules on talkhaus.
I'm not trying to impose Twitch rules, I'm saying that's what i'm more used to, and if I were to be flagging things on here for spoilers or backseating, I'd probably be flagging a lot of things here no one else would, which is largely why i've tried to stay away from calling out anything for spoilers or backseating. I have no context for what is OK and what isn't because that hasn't really been defined here, and my only context is Twitch chat, which obviously isn't helpful here. (edit: and largely why i'm asking if something is considered backseating or not)
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SAJewers wrote: I think i'm just more used to twitch chat where even a hint of backseating is punished
backseating rules in a twitch channel i frequent wrote:Are you backseating? (See: Giving unsolicited hints, tips, advice, information about the game, or anything of the sort) naeDERP WELL! You may well get timed out for this! Or you already are! Congratulations, you are experiencing JUSTICE! naeWTF Listen. Backseating ruins games for streamers. It's very frustrating to explain and fight against it every time it happens. naeDERP I want to play this game with veergin eyes, learn on my own, and experience the magic that you once did. Respec the LAW.
What the fuck is this. If I read this it would make me want to spoil things
Believe it or not, that'sactually pretty standard on Twitch for streamers who want to experience games blind from what i've seen.
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Mata Hari » 3 months ago

I would love to punish spoilers in the Mulan thread but I have not played the game and not watching the LP lol

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Postby ano0maly » 3 months ago

I would say just stating one's preferences on preferred dub is fine. (Je préfère le français.) If you're trying to arm-twist the player to proceeding with the let's play the way you want, that's going too far, but we should be able to state our suggestions and preferences. The player will still decide what to do as he needs to.
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Kilgamayan » 3 months ago

Mata Hari wrote: I would love to punish spoilers in the Mulan thread but I have not played the game and not watching the LP lol
Should we (continue to?) report offending posts, or would that not matter all that much (given how actively involved staff members tend to be in game threads)?
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Mata Hari » 3 months ago

Always report posts you feel cross a line, slapping spoiler tags on something is a piece of piss. Like even if I don't know the game, if I see something reported for spoilers and it looks like it a spoiler I'd probably just edit some spoiler tags in because it's like who cares. Something that should be tagged but isn't is a problem, something being tagged when it doesn't have to be usually matters a lot less. Plus the 'spoiler threshold' varies so much between people there's no reason not to err on the side of caution.

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I just hope raocow has fun :c
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