VLDC9 - vanilla level design contest 9
Re: VLDC9 - violet lumber dark conservatories 9
I thought Midnight Arbor was brilliant. I disagree heavily with the second half being "excessively difficult", as I found it fell squarely in "hard but fair" territory. raocow made it through the entire thing (including bonus content) in one try, after all. There were a ton of clever obstacles in that level, and it looked great too.
I think that it was perceptive of raocow and Koopster to notice that there was supposed to be a P-switch run in the second level. I was confused about that bit.
I think that it was perceptive of raocow and Koopster to notice that there was supposed to be a P-switch run in the second level. I was confused about that bit.
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Re: VLDC9 - violet lumber dark conservatories 9
IDK where the music in this level is from but I'm hoping it's from the Harry Potter games because otherwise it would damage my immersion significantly.
e: Of course I said that before the Pokemon music started
e: Of course I said that before the Pokemon music started
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Re: VLDC9 - versatile legerdemain directing classes 9
This level is clever but very stressful at times; it needed another checkpoint before the boss, and it has design issues such as the "magic following" gimmick near the end where the player isn't aware that the magic can suddenly go through blocks.
Magikoopas are very hard to work around too.
Magikoopas are very hard to work around too.
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In lunar magic is it possible to make magikoopas not to damage the player from the sides? That would save a lot of lives.
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I don't know how I feel about this level. I respect the creativity put into it, but the level was really frustrating with how Kamek works. Sometimes I would die because Kamek instantly spawns where I am. Loved the ideas but not the execution. Also the music got grating after awhile.
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*shrug* I can't exactly remember what went through my mind. I just remember that I found it way tougher than the rest of the level? raocow had a way easier time than I did somehow, and a lot of people keep telling me I'm good at games (which I vehemently deny)Lockirby2 wrote:I thought Midnight Arbor was brilliant. I disagree heavily with the second half being "excessively difficult", as I found it fell squarely in "hard but fair" territory. raocow made it through the entire thing (including bonus content) in one try, after all. There were a ton of clever obstacles in that level, and it looked great too.
edit: Oh, and as for HOGWARTS? I never got past the first two screens after the midpoint. In the interests of time for my streams, I quit playing it. I just could not take it anymore, and I refuse to use savestates because I figure that if I HAVE to use those to finish a level without losing my sanity, I can already give a review to it. There were interesting ideas in it, but I felt they were executed HORRIBLY. The secret exit is pretty much trial-and-error!
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Re: VLDC9 - versatile legerdemain directing classes 9
Was there a reset pipe in the secret area room of today's level, so you could try again if you got all Thwimps (or otherwise failed to feed your Yoshi enough)?
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No, there's just a door past there that puts you below the secret exit door, to where you can no longer get it, IIRC. You have one chance per run.Voltgloss wrote:Was there a reset pipe in the secret area room of today's level, so you could try again if you got all Thwimps (or otherwise failed to feed your Yoshi enough)?
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Re: VLDC9 - versatile legerdemain directing classes 9
This level is honestly super sad. I really like most of the setups but it's one of the levels where the concept just isn't good. Magikoopa is a pain to work around. You're at the mercy of RNG when designing a level around him. Also layer 2 not being translucent......ugh
Re: VLDC9 - versatile legerdemain directing classes 9
The first half of this kamek level did not look hard at all. The deaths where kamek spawned on him weren't really his fault, but other than that, most of those early deaths looked very avoidable. I would blame most of his struggles with the first half on sloppy playing more than anything.
The 2nd half looked very challenging, but in a good way. Overall I think it was a very nice level. The first half sort of eases you into dealing with kamek so that you are well practiced for the 2nd half where you need to be at your A game.
The 2nd half looked very challenging, but in a good way. Overall I think it was a very nice level. The first half sort of eases you into dealing with kamek so that you are well practiced for the 2nd half where you need to be at your A game.
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raocow's playing today wasn't too sloppy. It was just horrible luck near the beginning, and despite awful luck at the boss fight, he managed to stay alive for a very long time.
Failing the secret exit brings you to the midpoint, but I don't think it's trial and error. You have way more than enough time to feed Yoshi, as getting 2 yellow koopas in about 17 seconds is extremely probable. If you get all thwimps, please exit this forum, walk outside, and wait until you get struck by lightning as probability completely gives up.
Failing the secret exit brings you to the midpoint, but I don't think it's trial and error. You have way more than enough time to feed Yoshi, as getting 2 yellow koopas in about 17 seconds is extremely probable. If you get all thwimps, please exit this forum, walk outside, and wait until you get struck by lightning as probability completely gives up.
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I've been recovering from a migraine for those past few days, thanks again Quills for covering me!
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I didn't have access to the forum at the time but I heard Soko sparked some drama for people not liking his "creativity style" or something lol
The level is nice but it's extremely disjointed and it's not very self explanatory at various parts (glaringly the rocks the magic passes through). Also annoying unecessary obstacles like the podoboos. I don't think the wizard is the culprit for making this level not that good - some things could've been executed better.
Since I missed a few days of this thread:
Prizm's level I was rather underwhelmed about, since if you ignore the dragon coin challenges it's a very short and kinda uneventful item babysitting level.
Fun facts about Quills' level: it was 000.smc in our numbered ROMs pack, so it was the first one I and at least two other judges played (I eventually moved to going in a random order though). I made a .txt with guesses of who made what level and I originally thought it was SNN's level lol. I like SNN's level design, so that's saying something.
79th: HOGWARTS by Sokobansolver
I didn't have access to the forum at the time but I heard Soko sparked some drama for people not liking his "creativity style" or something lol
The level is nice but it's extremely disjointed and it's not very self explanatory at various parts (glaringly the rocks the magic passes through). Also annoying unecessary obstacles like the podoboos. I don't think the wizard is the culprit for making this level not that good - some things could've been executed better.
Since I missed a few days of this thread:
Prizm's level I was rather underwhelmed about, since if you ignore the dragon coin challenges it's a very short and kinda uneventful item babysitting level.
Fun facts about Quills' level: it was 000.smc in our numbered ROMs pack, so it was the first one I and at least two other judges played (I eventually moved to going in a random order though). I made a .txt with guesses of who made what level and I originally thought it was SNN's level lol. I like SNN's level design, so that's saying something.
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wow did i really give it that little of a description????Koopster wrote:I've been recovering from a migraine for those past few days, thanks again Quills for covering me!
79th: HOGWARTS by Sokobansolver
i have no idea how I failed to solve that puzzle, then??? still didn't like the level and given the ending I never got to...I would give it only +3 design and +5-8 creativity. aesthetics, I still stand by. Aesthetics? WHAT AESTHETICS???
Re: VLDC9 - versatile legerdemain directing classes 9
The blocks that Magikoopa can fire through definitely should have been marked somehow. It doesn't even have to be explicit that Magikoopa can fire through them; they just need to look at least a little different from the ones around them.
I pretty much never take hits from Magikoopa spawning on my face unless I'm dealing with other obstacles. I'm not entirely sure why. Either I'm just really lucky, or something about my playstyle tends to avoid those cheap shots (but I'll be darned if I know what it is).
In the room where you have to prevent Magikoopa from interrupting the snake block, I prevented him from firing at all by scrolling the screen a lot. I love how often there are multiple solutions for puzzles in SMW even if I'm entirely convinced that there's only one solution.
I pretty much never take hits from Magikoopa spawning on my face unless I'm dealing with other obstacles. I'm not entirely sure why. Either I'm just really lucky, or something about my playstyle tends to avoid those cheap shots (but I'll be darned if I know what it is).
In the room where you have to prevent Magikoopa from interrupting the snake block, I prevented him from firing at all by scrolling the screen a lot. I love how often there are multiple solutions for puzzles in SMW even if I'm entirely convinced that there's only one solution.
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Re: VLDC9 - vacillating lignification damp coves 9
Grove of Seclusion I felt was only ok; it's a typical romp that sort of dragged on for too long. I agree that it would be better if it was just the bad future.
Misty Swamp Cave is pretty unfortunate due to the super obstructing mist in combination with sprite saturation which doesn't really lead to good times.
Misty Swamp Cave is pretty unfortunate due to the super obstructing mist in combination with sprite saturation which doesn't really lead to good times.
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Yeah, the mist completely ruined it, hence the almost-worst-world score. The second half wasn't even bad at all really, but by that point, you're just so annoyed with the first half that the bad vibe kind of carries over.
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Re: VLDC9 - vacillating lignification damp coves 9
You could always scroll the porcu-puffer offscreen :v
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I found that second level incredibly boring to watch. One of the few times I've actually found myself skipping ahead in a video to at least get back to progress.
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I have to agree- and I JUDGED the thing! Was not fun watching raocow die over and over and over, especially to the hide-all smog.Alice wrote:I found that second level incredibly boring to watch. One of the few times I've actually found myself skipping ahead in a video to at least get back to progress.
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I just let it play in the background, muted, so that raocow could get his full watch minutes. Need to give him good retention time figures, otherwise Youtube gets a little bit weird.Nimono wrote:I have to agree- and I JUDGED the thing! Was not fun watching raocow die over and over and over, especially to the hide-all smog.Alice wrote:I found that second level incredibly boring to watch. One of the few times I've actually found myself skipping ahead in a video to at least get back to progress.
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Personally, I think that removing the gimmick from the first level would just make it more generic. I think that either the reason for the time travel choice needed to be explained in some way, or that something extra would need to be done to reach the good future. The first half before the midpoint would really benefit from the trick FrozenQuills pulled in his level with the 1-up allowing you to skip it on the second time through. The past and both futures all needed to be shorter as well. Even a shorter version of the good future still needed more interesting obstacles, although what's there isn't the most plain level in the contest.
I liked the second level a lot more when playing it myself. Although I think raocow would have enjoyed it more if he was in a better mood, I agree after thinking about it that the level would be unfun to play through multiple times. I don't think that the mist ever entirely hid obstacles in a way that made me get hit, so I'll give it props for that, but the extra care required to get through the level every time would become painful.
I liked the second level a lot more when playing it myself. Although I think raocow would have enjoyed it more if he was in a better mood, I agree after thinking about it that the level would be unfun to play through multiple times. I don't think that the mist ever entirely hid obstacles in a way that made me get hit, so I'll give it props for that, but the extra care required to get through the level every time would become painful.
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Re: VLDC9 - vacillating lignification damp coves 9
That first level seems to have no cohesion. Why are the two future doors? Why is the good future pink? What the hell is even going on? It feels like he had three level ideas and refused to decide, so we get this schizophrenic level.
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Re: VLDC9 - vacillating lignification damp coves 9
Grove of Seclusion is basically bootleg Tragic Revolution from 8 tbh hey it rhymes
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I felt like Grove of Seclusion overstayed its welcome, especially with the Good Future section of the level. Thought the level was decent overall. I actually liked how the Bad Future path looked and played, but Good Future was mostly flat with a ton of Charlie spam.
Misty Swamp Cave was really frustrating to play. I was kinda disappointed to see the level turning out the way it did considering AJ has made good levels in the past. I understand the mist gimmick obfuscating the first half of the level, but the obnoxious enemy placement and all the stuff thrown at you made it a chore to play. I actually had a harder time with the cave portion of the level.
Misty Swamp Cave was really frustrating to play. I was kinda disappointed to see the level turning out the way it did considering AJ has made good levels in the past. I understand the mist gimmick obfuscating the first half of the level, but the obnoxious enemy placement and all the stuff thrown at you made it a chore to play. I actually had a harder time with the cave portion of the level.
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Re: VLDC9 - vacillating lignification damp coves 9
My opinion: both of today's levels would have been vastly improved by cutting their length by half.