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MaGL 3 results: moral of the story: laziness always prevails

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Re: MaGL 3 results: get counting someguy712x

Postby Le Neveu de Rameau » 3 years ago

Cloaytonem2's level is simply delightful. If "fun" is to be measured solely by the sheer joy a level gives you, this one would get top marks from me. And Bowser's Thinking Desk should totally be canon.

Also, you do realize you could spinbounce of that boss, raocow? In fact, you can keep surfing on him for duration of the battle (possibly exclaiming "Floors are for bores!"), if that's your sort of thing.

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Re: MaGL 3 results: get counting someguy712x

Postby Cloaytonem2 » 3 years ago

raocow, the doodlesaur is a lot easier if you spin jump.

Also, I didn't think I'd get this far in the contest, let alone a judge favorite. I'm satisfied with that, at least.

I wanted to do a level that didn't really work in a full hack, so I went with "Someone's designing a level, and this is the rough sketch of it on paper!" Mario was originally going to fly out of a paper on someone's desk at the end, but that wasn't funny enough. I also thought of the paper being ripped in half once the boss was dead, but crumpling the paper offscreen was easier.
I spent the most time on the level patching up or designing around issues with the pencils and doodlesaur. Turns out it's not that easy to just spawn certain enemies, because with the code I had, several sprites had strange side effects (like the bob-omb being set to explode automatically, but that was convenient). Sprites spawned by the pencils also don't come back when despawned, so no "drawn" sprite should be required for the level to be finished outside the kill room, so I just made them required for a few dragon coin puzzles.
The pencils were also layer 2 being shaken with HDMA, and lemme tell you, that caused a lot more trouble than you'd think, especially in the kill room and the boss room. I managed to buff that out, though.
The doodlesaur was its own troubles, but that's just because I chose a bad size for it and refused to use the patch that allowed me custom sprite hitboxes because I'm smart.

The moral of the story is don't code custom sprites. Like, ever.

Also, my username is doomed to be spelled wrong.

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Re: MaGL 3 results: get counting someguy712x

Postby raocow » 3 years ago

wow

after seeing you around the community for years, now is the first time I've been constantly misreading your name, forever

I feel so so bad
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Re: MaGL 3 results: get counting someguy712x

Postby Mata Hari » 3 years ago

What does it even mean

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Re: MaGL 3 results: get counting someguy712x

Postby Cloaytonem2 » 3 years ago

My username isn't coherent at all, so I don't blame people for getting it wrong. It's just syllables.

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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby nathanisbored » 3 years ago

this is one of those levels that makes you want to root for it because of the flavor and sheer amount of effort put in, but in reality it really didn't 'do much' (played it safe), which is maybe a good thing cuz it definitely secured a high rank. also these sorts of asm gimmicky levels are easy to get infatuated with if you've never seen the gimmick before, but you also got to keep in mind that sometimes the author didn't make the code and they just downloaded it from smwc (which was the case for some other levels in the contest). bottom line is not to get caught up on the gimmickiness or perceived effort put in just because it feels unique.

that all being said, it looks like everything in this level actually was original and coded from scratch, which is pretty amazing. the level is "well-designed" from a professional standpoint too, and never goes overboard with anything. I really like it and I'm excited for the top 5.

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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby S.N.N. » 3 years ago

JUDGES' COMMENTS AND SCORES FOR 6th PLACE:

6th: Cloaytonem2
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FUN: 20/30
DIFFICULTY: 5/5
CREATIVITY: 9/10
AESTHETICS: 9/10 (4/5 GFX + 5/5 MUS)
FUNCTIONALITY: 5/5

TOTAL: 48/60

COMMENTS:
What a neat and fun level.

The aesthetics are really nice and fitting and I enjoyed
the whole pencil sketching gimmick. I was a bit worried at first
thinking that all the pencil is going to do is draw enemies in
ways that wouldn't really be any different from just placing
them in lunar magic but you expanded it into a "battle room" and
as some interesting obstacles (exploding bombs, the boss at the
end, etc.) The whole idea of not knowing what's suddenly going
to come out of the pencil was pretty fun anyway though.

However, even if it did get more creative later on, I still
felt like it could have been even cooler, like drawing platforms
or placing obstacles at more unexpected times.

Still, what you have is nice and fun already, so great job. I
can tell there was a lot of work put into this.

Adorable ending by the way!

TLDR:
+ Great "create"-ive gimmick
+ Very well designed and fun
- Could have been even more interesting and have cooler setups

OTHER:
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-PYRO-
Fun: 18/30
Difficulty: 3/5
Creativity: 7/10
Aesthetics: 8/10
Functionality: 5/5
Total: 41/60
Comment: I LOOOOVE this level!! <3 <3 <3 The gimmick was like the best thing ever. I wish more was done with it though, it was kinda just used as a way to delay enemy spawns, but it was still super endearing. The boss was cool once I figured it out, and OMG that ending was the beeeeeeesst. It's a reeeaally reeally good level and I <3 it so hard~~


-KOOPSTER-
FUN: 27/30
DIFFICULTY: 5/5
CREATIVITY: 9/10
AESTHETICS: 10/10
FUNCTIONALITY: 5/5

TOTAL SCORE: 56/60

I clapped irl. To nitpick the level is a bit on the simplistic side and the gimmick could've been expanded on a bit more and also the final boss has too many hits for having one single pattern but duuuude, is this fantastic. I think my favorite part is the pre-midpoint boss cause I love the Dumb Drum from DKC and that's pretty much what it was!!


-S.N.N.-
FUN: 27/30
DIFFICULTY: 5/5
CREATIVITY: 9/10
AESTHETICS: 9/10
FUNCTIONALITY: 5/5

TOTAL: 55/60

COMMENTS: This level is incredible for various reasons. The aesthetic is an obvious selling point, but the fact that you incorporated such a versatile gimmick (the pencil) and carried it on throughout the level in a bunch of fairly unique ways is awesome. The level was designed
around this, and I feel like the creativity really showed. Cute boss (albeit I think 4-5 hits would have been enough), and the ending scene is great. Although there are a couple of entries in this contest that are better designed from a pure gameplay standpoint, this is definitely a top ranker for me.

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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby ft029 » 3 years ago

It is true that this level could have done a bit more with the pencil, but when I played this, it was super fun (++fun points), and I've replayed this at least two times now (also ++fun points). Man, this should have definitely ranked higher. The thinking desk seriously impressed me.
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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby Zephyr_DragonLord » 3 years ago

The level today was just so charming... I love the paper aesthetic, and I really love the ending. The boss and the gameplay were nice, too, with the latter being pretty varied. The pencil creation is a really neat touch.

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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby Divemissile » 3 years ago

today's level was impressive. i've seen drawn on paper levels before but this was so technically impressive that i just had to love it. the pencils were super well animated and the ending was hilarious. the boss was kinda eh but the overall level design was solid.

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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby nothobz » 3 years ago

Developer's Commentary:
i thought my level was pretty bad, but here we are.


I'd like to thank the judges for helping me fulfill my destiny of beating idol, and idol for telling me about this contest and, I mean, I'd say she encouraged me to enter, but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't have happened. She did provide a competitive edge and a layer 3 bg, so thank u idol for all that. better luck next time. I'd also like to thank lolyoshi for repeatedly being in disbelief my level was doing as well as it was.
Thank u raocow for enjoying my level. :D

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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby FrozenQuills » 3 years ago

nothobz wrote: I'd like to thank the judges for helping me fulfill my destiny of beating idol, and idol for telling me about this contest and, I mean, I'd say she encouraged me to enter, but I'm pretty sure that wouldn't have happened. She did provide a competitive edge and a layer 3 bg, so thank u idol for all that. better luck next time. I'd also like to thank lolyoshi for repeatedly being in disbelief my level was doing as well as it was.
Thank u raocow for enjoying my level. :D
I guess we judges just like coin puzzle levels since we all gave it like a 53 lol.
Though, I haven't really seen anything like this before, which is why I gave it a high score.
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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby tirakai » 3 years ago

It's kind of funny that the one level raocow tries to be more careful and watch his surroundings on happens to be the level where going slowly makes it more difficult.

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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby Mata Hari » 3 years ago

There is a lot of maths in this top 10, what on earth

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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby Pyro » 3 years ago

Fun fact! My score for this level was originally like a 42 or something. HOWEVER once SNN sent the results to the judges and we saw THREE 53s GIVEN INDEPENDENTLY OF EACH OTHER I was like "I have to change my score omg" and then I realized changing my score actually wouldn't have affected hobz's placement at all. So I did. Lol
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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby idol » 3 years ago

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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby Money » 3 years ago

Im gonna be that one dick who goes "this doesnt really deserve to be this highly placed". Like, it's a good level and is well designed, but it feels like i've seen this type of level before. Top quarter, yeah, that's fair, but 5th place?

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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby Le Neveu de Rameau » 3 years ago

Jeez Louise, raocow, you're terrible at budgeting.

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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby ano0maly » 3 years ago

MoneyMan wrote: it feels like i've seen this type of level before.
Reminded me of this
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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby Voltgloss » 3 years ago

MoneyMan wrote:Like, it's a good level and is well designed, but it feels like i've seen this type of level before.
Wasn't there at least one level using a similar "budget your jumps because they cost you coins" gimmick in those short gimmick-challenge hacks raocow played a few years back? Hack 2 maybe? That's ringing a faint bell for me.

EDIT: Yeah, this one.
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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby nathanisbored » 3 years ago

This was probably the best implementation of this gimmick I've seen before (minus the softlock). There's probably like a dozen different ways to play the level, depending on which paths you take and which coins you go for, and how carefully you play. I love how you can play through the level once, only to realize you didn't get enough coins, but then reset yourself and try again with your new familiarity with the layout without having to die or anything. And I like that going negative doesn't kill you. Also the Dragon Coins add an extra challenge to the level which is neat. I wonder how easy it is to get all DCs and finish the level within the same run (assuming it's possible). Start select or some kind of 'retry whenever' system would have been nice but otherwise I like it.

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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby Money » 3 years ago

Yeah that is one thing i really liked about this level, that it was forgiving. In these sorts of puzzle levels, it's very easy to want to design it around there only being one correct path, forcing the player to do it perfectly. It's refreshing to see a puzzle level that doesnt do that but still works as a puzzle level.

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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby nathanisbored » 3 years ago

MoneyMan wrote:Yeah that is one thing i really liked about this level, that it was forgiving. In these sorts of puzzle levels, it's very easy to want to design it around there only being one correct path, forcing the player to do it perfectly. It's refreshing to see a puzzle level that doesnt do that but still works as a puzzle level.
well the neat thing is, you don't even need to play it like a puzzle level like raocow did. i did a run just now where I basically just took a straightforward path through the level and managed to finish with 55 just by dodging enough reds and collecting enough bunches of yellows

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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby RegiGiygas » 3 years ago

today's video had the best video title.
Waaa.
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Re: MaGL 3 results: top five hype

Postby ft029 » 3 years ago

THIS is a non-linear level done right. There are billions of ways to do this level, and they're all fun and nice. It gives you a bunch of resources to play around with, like shells, goombas, P-switches, powerups, etc., and each combination of those resources results in something different. Brilliantly designed level, although it could have been a bit better toward the end. I feel like the end should have shown something new to the level with some sort of extension rather than being more of the same.

I've seen so many horrible nonlinear levels where it's just two linear paths that are both very generic and makes the player feel like they're missing out on something, and then the player checks each boring path and has no fun at all.

You can actually create a coin-block factory by block duping and stuff and stuff. Also, if you get 100 coins, you can't jump anymore.
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