The Haus of Talk Thread

[metasomnia?]

A game about being a mechanic?

No, a game about being a drunken Finn

That sounds boring if that's all there is to it =P

[Mikkofier]

OMG, even the game's website is era appropriately terrible!

[HatKid]

this is probably the best thing to come out of modern fire emblem

[Bean]

As if the older Fire Emblems weren't heavily influenced by anime either!

[HatKid]

what????????????? impossible!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(especially radiant dawn, like the portraits ooze 'anime')

[TaviTurnip]

Appealing to weebs and lonely people is the best way to make money on the Japanese console market, though. It's just a shame that it had to be Fire Emblem that took that hit, but honestly it makes the most sense considering the series was already the most anime thing Nintendo did.

Where's all our fanservicey Advance Wars, Nintendo? >:C Haven't you learned that dudes love chicks and guns???

[Jesuiscontent]

As if Trails of cold steel wasn't to Legend of Heroes what Awakening is to Fire Emblem :^)

jk It's actually infinitely better than Awakening
Fie is pretty high tier too
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[InsaneIntentions1]

I own awakening and conquest, I've yet to touch them

[Dizzybelle]

i-i really liked awakening and fates :c

[HatKid]

As if Trails of cold steel wasn't to Legend of Heroes what Awakening is to Fire Emblem :^)

jk It's actually infinitely better than Awakening
Fie is pretty high tier too
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very true statement


what have i done

[Leet]

As if the older Fire Emblems weren't heavily influenced by anime either!

older fire emblems were influenced by older anime, naturally

now, anime's about pedophilia, so it is significantly more of a problem

[metasomnia?]

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[Alice]

now, anime's about pedophilia, so it is significantly more of a problem

What the hell sort of anime are you watching to come to a conclusion like this??

[Sasquatch]

I think pedophilia was implied in Sekirei. I don't watch a lot of anime, so that's the only example I can think of.

[Leet]

now, anime's about pedophilia, so it is significantly more of a problem

What the hell sort of anime are you watching to come to a conclusion like this??

Have you ever critically examined "moe"? Gee, I wonder why a character trait that emphasizes innocence and helplessness in young girls might be popular with creepy anime fans...?

"Idol anime" is the most popular genre at the moment, and that whole industry is rooted in pedophilia. Of course, idol anime advertises it as a great place that you, and by you I mean impressionable young girls, definitely want to join! By the way, the current president of Yoyogi Animation Academy, Japan's largest animation school, is Yasushi Akimoto, the producer behind a massive idol group conglomerate. This man wrote songs for these groups - I'd like to point out some AKB48 song titles, such as "Mouth-to-Mouth Chocolate" and "This School Uniform Is Getting in the Way", songs written and produced for girls as young as 13 to sing and perform, with Akimoto overseeing the whole thing. Good thing we have a responsible adult like him to head the academy that influences those who are entering the world of animation!

Hmm, all this exploitation of youth sexuality is pretty popular. And thus, Fire Emblem gives you the ability to pet your little sister.

I rarely watch new anime ever, for this very reason. Even anime that doesn't follow this trend has been including jokes about young girls' breasts for years, something which I personally can't handle. Yes, we get it, writers, you can't think of compelling character traits for your female characters except their opinions on their own chest, please just don't write them at all if you can't do any better...

[raekuul]

It doesn't help that in parts of Japan the Age of Consent is as low as 13.

Immoral, yes, but not (yet) illegal.

[onpon4]

I'm not familiar with this specific example, but sexual attraction to 13-year-old girls is not pedophilia as a general rule. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescent girls or boys. The standard cutoff age is 13 (i.e. sexual attraction to children under 13 is considered to be pedophilia), though in practice it can vary in either direction. For girls who are not intensely physically active or nutritionally deficient, it's quite uncommon to still be prepubescent at 13.

EDIT: Also, and this might seem pedantic, but pedophilia is not illegal anywhere (and that's a good thing, too, because that would be thoughtcrime). Acting on pedophilia is, but only by proxy through age of consent and child pornography laws.

[Jesuiscontent]

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Even assuming your bogus comparisons hold any water, I don't see how that is a problem because it's FICTION. Anime and anime characters don't exist. If young children can't distinguish fiction from reality, that's the role of their parents and their education to correct this. Japan is also one of the countries with the lowest sexual crimes rates.

Hmm, all this exploitation of youth sexuality is pretty popular. And thus, Fire Emblem gives you the ability to pet your little sister.

Are you serious?

My younger sister loves modern Fire emblem and couldn't shut up about how adorable the petting minigame is in Fates. BRB calling 911.


I mean, I don't even like Awakening and Fates as games because except Fates!Conquest, the gameplay and maps are shit compared to older FEs, but I completely understand why they exist and why some people like them, and your conclusion just baffles me.

[raekuul]

I'm not familiar with this specific example, but sexual attraction to 13-year-old girls is not pedophilia as a general rule. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescent girls or boys. The standard cutoff age is 13 (i.e. sexual attraction to children under 13 is considered to be pedophilia), though in practice it can vary in either direction. For girls who are not intensely physically active or nutritionally deficient, it's quite uncommon to still be prepubescent at 13.

EDIT: Also, and this might seem pedantic, but pedophilia is not illegal anywhere (and that's a good thing, too, because that would be thoughtcrime). Acting on pedophilia is, but only by proxy through age of consent and child pornography laws.

And if you say that on tumblr you'll get lynched from here to Pluto.

[Zha Hong Lang]

I've learned what it's like to have someone cross the pacific ocean for me

[Ometeotl]

I rarely watch new anime ever

Well it's a good thing we have such an expert here to lecture us on an entire country's artistic output and set us straight.

[Leet]

Even assuming your bogus comparisons hold any water, I don't see how that is a problem because it's FICTION. Anime and anime characters don't exist.

I spent a large portion of my post outlining the connections between the real-world idol industry (and its exploitation of actual girls as young as 13) and how it was very closely linked to the modern anime industry for $$$ reasons. I named specific organizations that were heavily influential in the training upcoming animators and the high-ranking position of a man who has written sexually explicit songs for the intention of very young girls to perform. These are real people. Furthermore, this has been heavily criticized within Japan for these very same reasons; see the masterpiece Perfect Blue. For a more anime-specific-criticism example, see Yuri Kuma Arashi, which focuses on the non-committed lesbian imagery which exists in a "predator or mascot" dichotomy in anime works (and idol works).

Seriously, talking about real people was at least half of my post. Please, you can read better than this.

There's a lot to be said about how justifying fictional pedophilia just because it's not As Bad As Rape is pretty skeevy, too, but I don't even care about that right now when I've already mentioned more pressing points. (There's also the problem of marketing a show to both pedophiles and young girls at the same time.)

EDIT: Oh, but I do not judge anybody for just enjoying a new Fire Emblem game. They can still be fun for whatever reason. Social critique falls upon the system more than the individual, so there's no need to take it personally or try and justify something that's being criticized. We can all enjoy things, even arguably creepy things. It's just good to keep an analytical mind.

[Alice]

It doesn't help that in parts of Japan the Age of Consent is as low as 13.

Immoral, yes, but not (yet) illegal.

This isn't actually entirely correct. I forget the exact details off the top of my head but I was reading a discussion on that exact subject awhile back on another forum. Iirc Japan has a federal age of consent of 13 but that's just a minimum age. Prefectures are free to declare their own age of consent as long as it's no lower than 13 and as far as I remember they're all in the 16-18 range.

Edit:

The Japanese Penal Code sets a minimal age of consent of 13.[44] However, the Children Welfare Act chapter 34 forbids any act of "fornication" (淫行) with children (here defined as anyone under 18 years of age)[45] with prefectures and districts specifying further details in (largely similar) "obscenity ordinances" (淫行条例) like adding exemptions for sex in the context of a sincere romantic relationship (typically determined by parental approval).[46] Various sources including police,official and adult related service providers cite that the actual age of consent in Japan is 18 as special laws and new laws precede old and general laws.

The age of marriage was 16 for girls and 18 for boys with parental consent in the past but is now 17 for both genders.

Even assuming your bogus comparisons hold any water, I don't see how that is a problem because it's FICTION. Anime and anime characters don't exist. If young children can't distinguish fiction from reality, that's the role of their parents and their education to correct this. Japan is also one of the countries with the lowest sexual crimes rates.

A weird amount of people who make claims like that seem to be physically incapable of actually making a distinction between fictional things and reality. Ie: On the main forum I frequent anytime a discussion like this comes up, anything related to lolicon is instantly just as bad as actual pedophilia despite, you know, the fact that the lolicon crap doesn't actually harm real children.

I mean, I don't even like Awakening and Fates as games because except Fates!Conquest, the gameplay and maps are shit compared to older FEs, but I completely understand why they exist and why some people like them, and your conclusion just baffles me.

People tend to jump to the worst possible conclusion for something if they find it distasteful. I don't like X so anyone who does like X has to like it for awful reasons and thus is a terrible person.

[onpon4]

I'm not familiar with this specific example, but sexual attraction to 13-year-old girls is not pedophilia as a general rule. Pedophilia is sexual attraction to prepubescent girls or boys. The standard cutoff age is 13 (i.e. sexual attraction to children under 13 is considered to be pedophilia), though in practice it can vary in either direction. For girls who are not intensely physically active or nutritionally deficient, it's quite uncommon to still be prepubescent at 13.

EDIT: Also, and this might seem pedantic, but pedophilia is not illegal anywhere (and that's a good thing, too, because that would be thoughtcrime). Acting on pedophilia is, but only by proxy through age of consent and child pornography laws.

And if you say that on tumblr you'll get lynched from here to Pluto.

Probably, but people who make that their residence would lynch me for all sorts of things. I don't have a use for Tumblr, anyway; it doesn't work at all without JavaScript (one of those shim-HTML sites).

[Leet]

Alice, please do not continue to imply that I did not go to great lengths to describe a link between different facets of society. I know you are talking about "people" and "a person" here, but I still feel it is willfully rude/pointless to continue to support the brushing off of anything that I actually said.

If all anyone can engage with is their expectations for what others are saying, then it becomes painfully obvious that proper analysis/criticism is impossible. In the real world, opinions don't live within a duality. (Not that opinions are even my focus here.)

Especially because my main conceit is "petting your little sister in Fire Emblem is included to maximize profit based on popular anime", which is almost objectively true; the alternative is it was an artistic decision made out of creativity and imagination. I hope nobody really thinks that.

As an aside, even though we all know that fictional pedophilia isn't the same as actual rape or anything, it's still pretty skeevy. Just because it's not as bad doesn't mean it's innocent and pure. This is another concept that does not exist within a duality in the real world, as nothing exists in a vacuum; all life is connected. I may not try to arrest somebody who hardcore fetishizes anime children, but I also wouldn't want them around any hypothetical children of my own.