And yet Bowser and Ganondorf got in as early as Melee...TheFinalSentinel wrote:
Blake is a flippin' idiot. At least the "He's too big." argument has some basis.
And yet Bowser and Ganondorf got in as early as Melee...TheFinalSentinel wrote:
By that logic, there should be 25 Mario characters, 13 Pokemon and one of every other series.Doctor Shemp wrote:Also having so many Fire Emblem characters is odd for a series with an extremely small fandom outside of Japan and, really, a pretty small one in Japan as well. Why does a series that's only gone platinum once have four characters, more than much better-known series like Metroid & Star Fox?
Because a) the games aren't made based on American audiences and b) Fire Emblem has been around since the NES days and is a staple of Nintendo, and c) it still exists and gets new games released today, unlike Star Fox and Metroid.Doctor Shemp wrote:Also having so many Fire Emblem characters is odd for a series with an extremely small fandom outside of Japan and, really, a pretty small one in Japan as well. Why does a series that's only gone platinum once have four characters, more than much better-known series like Metroid & Star Fox?
Fusion Suit SamusFluffiMasta wrote:I think the problem with Metroid characters is that there... really isn't anyone who could fit as a fighter except Samus/Zero Suit Samus.
Blood Ghoul wrote:Sometimes it seems my blood spurts out in gobs, as if it were a fountain's pulsing sobs. I clearly hear it mutter as it goes yet cannot find the wound from which it flows. Before I met you, baby, I didn't know what I was missing.
If you're making a mascot fighter, the idea is that they're mascots, i.e. well known.Leet wrote:Also because popularity is not the only thing in the world l o l
Doctor Shemp wrote:If you're making a mascot fighter, the idea is that they're mascots, i.e. well known.Leet wrote:Also because popularity is not the only thing in the world l o l
I'm not saying that there should be no Fire Emblem characters, just that 4 is excessive, especially when there are more popular series with fewer fighters. It's fine to want to represent and push a smaller series, but at 4 characters, that's a lot of space for that.
Ok, Metroid was a bad example, but what about Donkey Kong? Dixie, Cranky & Funky are all individually more well-known than Fire Emblem characters, and Dixie & Cranky have relatively established movesets: Dixie from the older DKC games, and Cranky from Tropical Freeze. Or they could have brought Mewtwo back like a lot of people want, or Squirtle (who's fairly popular based on his anime depiction) or Ivysaur (not really that big at all actually). Even Waluigi or Birdo are bigger.
Ometeotl wrote:By that logic, there should be 25 Mario characters, 13 Pokemon and one of every other series.
Blood Ghoul wrote:Sometimes it seems my blood spurts out in gobs, as if it were a fountain's pulsing sobs. I clearly hear it mutter as it goes yet cannot find the wound from which it flows. Before I met you, baby, I didn't know what I was missing.
7 actually. Yes, Ice Climber was a pretty small game, but that's why it only had one character, and not even that anymore. ROB & Game & Watch were huge in their time though (well, ROB not so much, but still big) but again, just one character. So yes, Fire Emblem has fewer characters than Mario, as it should, but it also has over twice as many as many Nintendo franchises that are significantly bigger: Animal Crossing, Donkey Kong, F-Zero, Metroid, Punch-Out, Star Fox, Wario, Wii & Yoshi. Now obviously quite a few of those are constrained in possible fighter choices, but there's quite a few that aren't as well.Leet wrote:smash has shown repeatedly to not care too much about what's well-known. sure it gives lots of content to popular things like mario and pokemon, but who the hell knew about Ice Climbers before Smash? why ROB? why Mr. Game and Watch?
its still very unfortunately skewed towards the big two, but relevance has still been, well, frequently irrelevant.
anyway my main point of the post was that fire emblem was popular and important enough to include at least 4 characters when mario has like 11
Not at all, there should and is a cap on those series so that it doesn't end up being a Mario fighter + guests.Ometeotl wrote:By that logic, there should be 25 Mario characters, 13 Pokemon and one of every other series.
mario, luigi, bowser, peach, dr. mario, bowser jr., rosalina, wario, yoshi, donkey kong and diddy kongDoctor Shemp wrote:7 actually.Leet wrote:smash has shown repeatedly to not care too much about what's well-known. sure it gives lots of content to popular things like mario and pokemon, but who the hell knew about Ice Climbers before Smash? why ROB? why Mr. Game and Watch?
its still very unfortunately skewed towards the big two, but relevance has still been, well, frequently irrelevant.
anyway my main point of the post was that fire emblem was popular and important enough to include at least 4 characters when mario has like 11
Blood Ghoul wrote:Sometimes it seems my blood spurts out in gobs, as if it were a fountain's pulsing sobs. I clearly hear it mutter as it goes yet cannot find the wound from which it flows. Before I met you, baby, I didn't know what I was missing.
Yoshi isn't "doing his own thing" at all, any Yoshi's Island-based games without Mario in them are few and far between, and anyway, who the hell doesn't associate Yoshi with Mario? Same thing with Wario who's name and (one of his) appearance(s) is a direct reference to Mario.Doctor Shemp wrote:Yoshi's pretty much doing his own thing, so I'd count him as a separate series, but he does sometimes show up in the same games. DK though hasn't shown up in the same game as Mario since Donkey Kong Jr, except that one Mario vs DK game. It's a separate series now.
Blood Ghoul wrote:Sometimes it seems my blood spurts out in gobs, as if it were a fountain's pulsing sobs. I clearly hear it mutter as it goes yet cannot find the wound from which it flows. Before I met you, baby, I didn't know what I was missing.
Jesuiscontent wrote:Possibly, but I'm going on sales data, and really the only one that did alright was the new one and maybe the GBA one. Even in Japan the old ones didn't do well, even by standards of the time. And, although it's a broader problem than Smash Bros, Nintendo should realise that Japan isn't the world. Specifically, at last count, it's about 1/4 of the Wii U audience and about 1/3 of the 3DS audience. So while the original Punch-Out wasn't so big in Japan (although still bigger than all but three Fire Emblems) it was big in the US. It's also true that there are things that are popular in Japan - like waifuism, for example, or super-cute anime - that are directly alienating elsewhere. I'm not saying that's a problem in Smash currently, but putting Japan first can exclude everyone else, just as putting the US first - like nearly all FPS games do - excludes Japan.
Yeah, in a game no-one gave two shits about. And now Link & Villager are soon to be in Mario Kart, so the line's not clear.Leet wrote:As for Donkey Kong, DK characters still show up in all the sports and parties and hitball titles, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. In addition, your quote can be paraphrased thusly -
"DK hasn't shown up in the same game as Mario since Donkey Kong Jr, except when he did."
crossover dlc, donkey kong has been a mainstay and originated from the mario series anywayAnd now Link & Villager are soon to be in Mario Kart, so the line's not clear.
by that logic would you say that Dr. Mario is definitely not a mario character whatsoever and that he is a Dr. Mario character? :/It's a spinoff series. Just because the characters originated in another series doesn't change the fact that they now appear mostly by themselves in games that play very differently to the original source.
Blood Ghoul wrote:Sometimes it seems my blood spurts out in gobs, as if it were a fountain's pulsing sobs. I clearly hear it mutter as it goes yet cannot find the wound from which it flows. Before I met you, baby, I didn't know what I was missing.
Blood Ghoul wrote:Sometimes it seems my blood spurts out in gobs, as if it were a fountain's pulsing sobs. I clearly hear it mutter as it goes yet cannot find the wound from which it flows. Before I met you, baby, I didn't know what I was missing.
"We're running out of time, but we should have enough time for a quick clone character. Let's take Dark Pit and make him a character instead of just an alt, since he has unique voice clips and all."pholtos wrote:So I need to know.... what kind of logic did they decide on by adding dark pit?
Yes. If anything the line's even clearer in that case since the only time Dr. Mario & Mario have appeared together is in Smash Bros. He's still a waste of character since he's a clone though.Leet wrote:by that logic would you say that Dr. Mario is definitely not a mario character whatsoever and that he is a Dr. Mario character? :/
Blood Ghoul wrote:Sometimes it seems my blood spurts out in gobs, as if it were a fountain's pulsing sobs. I clearly hear it mutter as it goes yet cannot find the wound from which it flows. Before I met you, baby, I didn't know what I was missing.
They could have cloned characters that aren't as well represented - Samus cloned as Dark Samus for instance - or made a clone with more significant mechanical changes, like Metal Mario.Leet wrote:Calling Dr. Mario a waste of a character implies that making a non-clone would take just as much time and effort.
If Dr. Mario wasn't in Smash Bros., the game would be exactly the same except without Dr. Mario.
It's not like not making a quick "clone" removes any potential other characters.