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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Pheonix » 7 years ago

A few little things. Added a few coins to the level to help a little to guidance (and one example which I hope helps with actually timing stuff, maybe), actually went and did something with the pencils so that they don't look completely out of place, and added something that maybe shows that layer 2 doesn't care about sprites (although given how some of the stuff is done the other option was sadly not really too usable, not without changing up a whole bunch of stuff at least). I've also gone and forced time to 0 in the level, since I don't know how the whole time thing is going to be done and all.

edit: this one should actually be the right one
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

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That's the same IPS you posted last time.
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby TomPhanto » 7 years ago

I'm due for an update. Again it's sublevel FB for the switch palaces. Again this is just a demo. Again, the graphics aren't final. However, I changed the concept to something that may work more nicely. I'll just see what you guys think.

http://bin.smwcentral.net/u/9567/A2MT%2BFB%2BDemo.zip
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Septentrion Pleiades » 7 years ago

Pheonix wrote:A few little things. Added a few coins to the level to help a little to guidance (and one example which I hope helps with actually timing stuff, maybe), actually went and did something with the pencils so that they don't look completely out of place, and added something that maybe shows that layer 2 doesn't care about sprites (although given how some of the stuff is done the other option was sadly not really too usable, not without changing up a whole bunch of stuff at least). I've also gone and forced time to 0 in the level, since I don't know how the whole time thing is going to be done and all.

edit: this one should actually be the right one
It's a bit shorter than the other switch places submitteed, only 10 screens (16 screens seems to be the normal size). It's also a bit on the easy side actually. Try to experiment with new ways the endanger the player with the room you have.

Visually, there is just one thing the bothers me. The layer 2 looks like it should be more solid than the layer 1. This can affect how the gameplay fills. I think the dashes you use might look better one layer one, or you can make layer 2 a lighter color. I think you should consider making a more interesting color theme overall if you try that. Page 36 of Direct Map16 Access even has light blue coins. This paragraph is mostly artistic suggestions so don't worry about it to much.

You have a single koopa in a place that easy to overlook. I think the sparkies actually drive the layer 2 point across better. Don't use an enemy only once.

Also, you should have made a new post, I didn't notice the new link until today.
TomPhanto wrote:I'm due for an update. Again it's sublevel FB for the switch palaces. Again this is just a demo. Again, the graphics aren't final. However, I changed the concept to something that may work more nicely. I'll just see what you guys think.

http://bin.smwcentral.net/u/9567/A2MT%2BFB%2BDemo.zip
It is quite easy, going just by gameplay. I consider this level to not have found an identity yet, so it's hard to judge. You need to have interesting ideas, which I haven't seen any of.
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby TomPhanto » 7 years ago

http://bin.smwcentral.net/u/9567/A2MT%2 ... BDraft.ips

Hopefully, this level meets expectations now.
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Septentrion Pleiades » 7 years ago

It is neither enjoyable or memorable.

Design: Why is it a no vertical scrolling level? You have much more room above everything that you are not using. Your level is only 12 screens long(don't go too far above 16 if you can help it) and make use of only the bottom of the screen. You have room, try to experiment with it. You should definately try adding some more open area, like a platform ride that lasts a while.

Try not to underuse a gimmick. The on/off switch is quite frivolous as it changes one thing, and that thing is quite easy to begin with.

Layer 2: Why is most of the ground Layer 2? if you are not using a layer 2 gimmick don't use layer 2 as terrain. In layer 2 mode select all your layer 2, Press Ctrl+X, switch to layer 1 Mode, then Ctrl+V. Then you can use a level mode that allows a background.

Graphics: It should be easy to make something abstract, and you could probably use something already in the Rom.
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Wyatt » 7 years ago

I made a switch palace level! Go to the parrot house and enter the door to play it.

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby limepie20 » 7 years ago

Whoa, wait. You don't have a switch palace level claimed. FB is open if you would like that.

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Wyatt » 7 years ago

Oh woops, didn't realize that there were slots reserved for the switch palaces. Sure I'll take FB, thanks!

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby limepie20 » 7 years ago

Wyatt:
I'm not sure I really liked the first half of that level, but I'm glad to say that at about screen 7 and on, I thought it was really fun. The difference between the two halves is that the first one felt like small segments that reuired precise timing while the second one was all about platforming. The whole precise timing thing wasn't really fun, and the obstacle at screen 5 was especially annoying. My suggestion to you is to keep the small introductory parts (about screen 00-02) and get rid of everything between that and the part I thought was fun. Then, add on about another 4 screens at the end to compensate for the length. Try not to have the ending be based on timing. You can throw some enemies into the mix and see what happens.

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Wyatt » 7 years ago

Glad you enjoyed it! Most of the timing parts were added as an afterthought, so I've removed the filler and kept the obstacles I liked the most. Also now the beginning can be rushed through if the player knows what they're doing. I tried adding a few enemies too, including a new enemy-focused end section.

Here's the new version!

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby limepie20 » 7 years ago

Wyatt:
I had a lot of fun with this level again, and I think it was definitely changed for the better. I'm not sure exactly how I felt about the very last obstacle. By that I mean the two gas bubbles right at the end. The rest seemed like fine, fair obstacles, but I just couldn't figure out how to get past those last two without taking a hit. I had it work once by chance. I could just be bad - maybe someone else should try as well to get another opinion - but I felt like that obstacle was unfair. Overall, good job though. It is very satisfying to get past one of those moving block barrages.

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby shdwdrgnix » 7 years ago

I guess I should post a playable version of my level.

-The lunatic difficulty is unfinished, so I blocked it off, but it should still be possible to hear the music.
-every coin and chest should still be possible to obtain
-still need to animate the lava
-I will get lunatic finished up very soon
-have fun, and have a cookie if you get the reference.

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Jesuiscontent » 7 years ago

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Normal Mode :

Too many unecessary coins. Not that big of a deal but at the part where there's three podoboos I'd suggest removing all these coins and possibly just putting some where the podoboos are.
Are the two flowers on top of a turn block a powerup filtration? If so, there's no need for one because Demo gets unpowered at the start of every level.
I got killed after the end pipe because the camera was set too high.



Hard mode :
The flying part is kind of silly compared to the rest of the sublevel, at least starting from where you have to turn around halfway.
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I didn't notice this tofu block at all because it is too similar to the red blocks, and got sent through that spike. Is this intended?
Also about that room as a whole, I have no idea what you expect from me. I smashed some invisible blocks and then......??? If you're supposed to get to that turn block while still having the mushroom I didn't find how.
Midpoint sends you back to the normal mode midpoint, though that should be easily fixed with the Multi-midpoint thing

The rest of the sublevel didn't feel that bad difficulty-wise, maybe even too easy? Except, as I said, that flying section that seems kind of out of place. Maybe that's just because I'm terrible at flying though.


Another thing, what is the lunatic mode going to unlock? If it's a secret exit, I think it'd be better to swap the "rewards" of Hard mode and Lunatic mode around, because chests are supposed to be more "optional" than secret exits.



I didn't get the reference !!!
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby limepie20 » 7 years ago

shdwdrgnix:
First I'd like to say that I really liked the graphics in this level. The fire in the background was great, and the metal pipes and lava fit very well with the overall theme of the level. The whole different difficulty idea was very cool as well. I don't see the point in not having an easy mode though. You should make a level for that too instead of just giving them a free finish. I know the lunatic part isn't finished, but what was the prize for that gonna be?

There were technical errors here and there that need to be fixed. A lot of palettes were very odd like the falling platform, thwomp, and dry bones. Also in a lot of sublevels the screen starts above demo and has to scroll down at the beginning. To fix this, change the level entry settings "Layer 1, 2 Initial Position" C0 & C0 for the screen to start low. I also felt you used way too many cement blocks. Cement blocks should be used very sparingly. Find some other graphics to take their place.

I thought the level could be a lot more fun if it wasn't so cramped. Most of the level was in a very small space and not as fun as it could've been. In addition, a lot of obstacles were secluded. For example, you would have one small section where you hit invisible blocks to climb up higher. We've seen this same obstacle before and is kind of boring on it's own. You should design the level so multiple enemies or blocks work together as one obstacle to make the overall experience feel more creative and original. I'm not saying you should redesign the level, but you should open it up and take other enemies or elements of the level and fuse them together in different ways to make something new.
You and this level have potential. I want you to shape this level into something greater.

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

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Jesuiscontent wrote:
Normal Mode :

Too many unecessary coins. Not that big of a deal but at the part where there's three podoboos I'd suggest removing all these coins and possibly just putting some where the podoboos are.

I'll try to remove some of the coins

Are the two flowers on top of a turn block a powerup filtration? If so, there's no need for one because Demo gets unpowered at the start of every level.

Thats to avoid giving a cape for the rest of the level


I got killed after the end pipe because the camera was set too high.

I will make sure this is fixed

Hard mode :
The flying part is kind of silly compared to the rest of the sublevel, at least starting from where you have to turn around halfway.

I'll make it that there is no consequences if you fail to turn around so you can try again

I didn't notice this tofu block at all because it is too similar to the red blocks, and got sent through that spike. Is this intended?

No, I guess I can make it a little more noticeable

Also about that room as a whole, I have no idea what you expect from me. I smashed some invisible blocks and then......??? If you're supposed to get to that turn block while still having the mushroom I didn't find how.

you need to hit the mushroom block and then take it to the end using the coin blocks, I guess I could put a yellow switch block to make it a little more obvious


Another thing, what is the lunatic mode going to unlock?

chances are it unlocks self-satisfaction, but I can always have the chest there and make coins the hard mode thing




I didn't get the reference !!!

Look up Yatagarasu and look at the level music, or anything involving lunatic path

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I don't see the point in not having an easy mode though. You should make a level for that too instead of just giving them a free finish.

free finish?


A lot of palettes were very odd like the falling platform, thwomp, and dry bones. Also in a lot of sublevels the screen starts above demo and has to scroll down at the beginning.

Will fix this

I also felt you used way too many cement blocks.

I will use less

We've seen this same obstacle before and is kind of boring on it's own.

I used to have twomps there but it felt a little too much like Cool or Cruel

You and this level have potential. I want you to shape this level into something greater.

Glad you enjoyed this, I'll improve it in the morning

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby SyStemkraSh5642 » 7 years ago

I added on to my Switch Palace level. Right now, I need to ask for people to try it out and provide feedback.
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To get to it, go into Parrot's Pad Planning Phase (104) and take the second door next to the switch blocks.

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Argumentable » 7 years ago

Yo you can't put spoilas and quotes togetha like that

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

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Was it broken?

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby limepie20 » 7 years ago

Yes, extremely.

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Pheonix » 7 years ago

Here's an updated and extended version of my switch palace level. May still be a bit too easy, but now that it's maxed out it's going to be easier to just take out and replace bits that are too easy/dull.
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby limepie20 » 7 years ago

Pheonix:
I feel like this could be more creative overall. The whole layer 2 vertical scrolling has been overdone, and you didn't really do anything new with it. I don't like layer 2 scrolling in general because there is usually a lot of waiting, and it feels like timing puzzles rather than a test of one's platforming skill. If you want to do something with layer 2, you should think of something new to do with it. Maybe think of a way to influence the player, but not have it be direct obstacles like the things that you stand on and the things that block you. If you can come up with something more creative, your level will be much more fun and creative and will look very nice next to the other level you've made for a2mt thus far.
I hope that made sense to you.

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Lv27MarkerMMan » 7 years ago

SyStemkraSh5642 wrote:I added on to my Switch Palace level. Right now, I need to ask for people to try it out and provide feedback.
I played your level portion. It took me several tries to beat it, but I managed to do it. The very end is easy, but I was sort of happy for that. You may still want a second opinion about the difficulty of your level portion.

There are some things that bugged me about this level. Not sure how important these issues are, but they still bug me.

1: Is the load time for this level longer than usual? Or is it just me?

2: At this spot
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There is a platform to the right that you can jump on by spin jumping on the fire. The player may think to ride the fire to the left when they get there the first time (It happened to me).
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby shdwdrgnix » 7 years ago

Just a little question, When my level is finished, can someone animate my lava in the tweaking thread? Provided that I have the exgfx for the animation.

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby limepie20 » 7 years ago

Yeah, sure. Animating isn't too hard, and there will be people (including me) willing to help.


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