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Just to add my own opinion to the bucket, I also think it would work better as an ending screen. Then the title screen could still have some kind of crazy 'weird' level on it if the unusuality factor is important (I'd assume it would be).

Not that there's anything outright wrong with it as a title screen, but the overall cheeriness of all the siblings strikes me as more 'ending' flavored.
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The ultimate question is: does it 'fit' with this?

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How about using both? There's a lot of games that have a static intro image and play a demo, when the screen is left idle for a few seconds.
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the 'gameplay demo' is the exact same as in mario world but when you get to the part where mario just kind of sits there on yoshi a giant yoshi island style chomper comes from the back and so mario/demo huriedly scampers through the rest of the level while the chomper wrecks everything.
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Diortem wrote:How about using both? There's a lot of games that have a static intro image and play a demo, when the screen is left idle for a few seconds.
If this is possible, I love this idea. That really sounds awesome.
Let's do it with style and make it like a traditional demo where demo is playing the first level or something.
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Something like this? I still need to work out some of the things, though.
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If the player presses a button during the title image, do they instantly get the file select screen? This is pretty important; if they have to wait for a fadeout or something, then this whole thing probably isn't worth it. Nobody likes waiting through stuff every time they turn on the game.
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It is the idea to directly load the select screen, when a button is pressed (the demo only plays when a time-out expires during the main screen). And pressing the button during the demo triggers the menu as well. But for testing purposes I used a button to trigger the demo during the intro screen.

There will be a transition (fade out or instant black), because the renderer needs to go back to mode 1 in any case to run the game. I agree that the current delay is indeed unacceptable. However, the long delay in the vid is (like stated) due to a bug in the code. It isn't doing anything useful in that time, but I haven't found the source of it. Probably synchronization issue with the NMI or a timer that doesn't expire. Otherwise, it should be just short as the regular delay between the "Nintendo presents" and "SMW demo" imo.
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Would music be able to start when the title screen picture comes up?
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That should be possible... It might have to be loaded manually into the APU as the game engine hasn't properly started at this point. But if that works, it can even have it's own tune (different to the demo mode).

Furthermore, after tinkering a little with the menu I ended up with this (some parts are still hardcoded, but the most effort of making the framework is already there). If you think it's a bad idea it's easy to drop, but I kinda liked it. The screen is just a level, so modding the BG is trivial in LM.
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Storing game time shouldn't be too difficult. The game 'mysteriously' has 3 SRAM shadow bytes left in RAM (@ 1F2B). And incrementing a counter every real second is pretty easy with the frame counter. Perhaps it's a bit cluttered, but I thought with all the extra stuff we've put in storage we might as well show it in the file select.

I couldn't think of an 8x8 icon to match with "Exits found". I was thinking of a Key or Lock, but that would suggest secret exits only, so I kept the original. Constructive critism is welcome. :)
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Diortem:
Oh my God, that is amazing. Of course, we like it. You don't get credited enough for things like this, but you are great with coming up with ideas to enhance the game. I'd definitely love something like that as a menu.
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Wow this is all sorts of awesome, it's super neat looking. You can even save total game time?!
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that.......

that would be amazing.

I mean, wow.
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Wow. The word that comes to mind is 'incrediblawesomic'.

My only question is what does the star indicate?
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swirlybomb wrote:only question is what does the star indicate?
Probably current bonus stars, assuming they're being saved too?

Looks pretty cool, albeit unpolished. I'd love to see it with some custom graphics or something.
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You are correct, Chibikko also made it so that the bonus stars are saved into SRAM. Unpolished is indeed the word I was looking for to. I'll fix/finalize the menu first. Then we'll see about the sugarness.
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Yeah no need to worry about graphics now. We can make it look nice with all the people we have here.
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Each save 'slot' should look a talkhaus post.
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Because it's fun?

The actual reason is because when I propose something as a joke, it's in the hope that someone gets a 'real' idea out of it, so to speak. It's better than just letting the thing unadressed!
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Its much better to just ignore it/abandon your boss fights that you're coding
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If you're worried about clutter, my suggestion would be to remove the counters for stars, coins, and lives, since they're less essential. Though maybe lives could stay in.
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Argumentable wrote:Its much better to just ignore it/abandon your boss fights that you're coding
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Yeah. The timer, deaths, parrots, chests and the switch palaces would be sufficient, I reckon.
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raocow wrote:Each save 'slot' should look a talkhaus post.
I actually like this idea.
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All the segments are functional now (for all 3 files), the cursor now moves nicely along the screen too on the left side. Now to write/get a division algorithm to convert 24-bit frame counts to H:M:S digits. I guess I'll just peek at how Ninty did it with the score-card. It's basically the same game.

The counter itself runs and auto-saves like the rest Chibikko made. ^_^ It only increments in-level when the game is not paused/frozen, that seems fair enough (just like the "effective" frame counter @ $14).

It's a bit crowded indeed, but if I remove those silly castle borders, then I can spread them out (or mask two or three of the counters out). How many exits is this game going to have? I currently put it to $80 to know when the number needs to become blue, but that's probably not right. On a side note: I was even thinking of inserting file names, but it's full enough already. ;)
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