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Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comments

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby limepie20 » 7 years ago

Septentrion Pleiades wrote: I however, had the greatest idea for your level.
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It should be more subtle, but I think it's a winning idea.
Wait; I don't understand what your idea is.

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Septentrion Pleiades » 7 years ago

limepie20 wrote:
Septentrion Pleiades wrote: I however, had the greatest idea for your level.
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It should be more subtle, but I think it's a winning idea.
Wait; I don't understand what your idea is.
the first picture is where the enterance to the secret is. There is now a small defect where the opening is. In the current version of the level it's painfully obvious.
The second picture has a similar tile replacing the gaint hole, so that someone who passes the level normally will understand to look for defects. I made these with paint, not lunar magic BTW.
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby tenta » 7 years ago

Septentrion Pleiades wrote:
limepie20 wrote:
Septentrion Pleiades wrote: I however, had the greatest idea for your level.
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It should be more subtle, but I think it's a winning idea.
Wait; I don't understand what your idea is.
the first picture is where the enterance to the secret is. There is now a small defect where the opening is. In the current version of the level it's painfully obvious.
The second picture has a similar tile replacing the gaint hole, so that someone who passes the level normally will understand to look for defects. I made these with paint, not lunar magic BTW.
Well i made the hole to make the player think he's going to die as a joke. :P
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Postby Septentrion Pleiades » 7 years ago

Well, hiding the secret better would still be faithful to the level
How ever did this become the most controversial level?
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby tenta » 7 years ago

Septentrion Pleiades wrote:
Well, hiding the secret better would still be faithful to the level
How ever did this become the most controversial level?
HE won't know there is a secret until he reach the end no? And he still have to search where is it and how to go there. lol
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Postby Septentrion Pleiades » 7 years ago

Honestly, it's likely he will know about the secret as soon as the current broken ceiling is on the screen.
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Postby tenta » 7 years ago

Septentrion Pleiades wrote:
Honestly, it's likely he will know about the secret as soon as the current broken ceiling is on the screen.
How will he know that there is a continuation at the top left and that you have to use a p-switch there? Anyway the chest even is hidden abover the big question mark.
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Postby tenta » 7 years ago

Come on Sept... I want to finally clear my level. Lol. Its been forever.
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Postby Septentrion Pleiades » 7 years ago

One easy change you should make before you post is the fire flower by the P switch. It seems unneccessary.

Another issues that was that bothers my is the coin path below the red koopa(see picture in previous posts). It should lead to land.

FIx these things and you can post striaght in clearing. I cannot clear this being a normal member and all.
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Postby Lv27MarkerMMan » 7 years ago

Here is my post for my half of a switch palace level. Here is what I have made so far. YES I know the pipe at the end is ugly and it WILL be fixed before this level is turned in.
3 questions remain

Is this difficult enough?
Is there anything I may have missed or misunderstood about the switch palaces?
Do we need to worry about the dragon coins and treasure chest stuff in the switch palaces?
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Postby ProfessorDemetri » 7 years ago

Alright team! Back from vacation, and back with progress~
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Inside Bonus Castle~
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This will then go back into the castle for a quick sublevel where you'll be able to either go find the chest, or come back outside and progress into a court yard or something with the following much like the level designers:
ASM:
Chdata
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Alex

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-flameofdoubt
If anyone has anything they'd like to add, then please let me know on skype at profdemetri@hotmail.com, as I'm on that more then I'm on the talkhaus. If I don't get any messages, then I'll just carry on doin' what I'm doin' lol
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Postby Paralars » 7 years ago

looking good man, looking real good. :)

I don't understand the category "editors", though. What does that mean?



Oh, and I just noticed you wrote AshanmarilL, it's just one L
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Postby Septentrion Pleiades » 7 years ago

Lv27MarkerMMan wrote:Here is my post for my half of a switch palace level. Here is what I have made so far. YES I know the pipe at the end is ugly and it WILL be fixed before this level is turned in.
3 questions remain

Is this difficult enough?
Is there anything I may have missed or misunderstood about the switch palaces?
Do we need to worry about the dragon coins and treasure chest stuff in the switch palaces?
It seems too difficult. Can you even pass it without savestates? Enemy placement seems to be mostly base on killing the player at death passages. It should be playable at a much more organic way.

Many of the enemies don't fit at all with the aesthetics. Clouds definitely stick out in this sort of place. Also, the moles do not fit at all, and are a cheap death as it's impossible to comprehend what is happening beforehand. You should consider changing theme of the enemies.

The purple block arrow wouldn't be necessary if you didn't put a place to land on up there.

Also, you should end the level with a door(this was decided as the method of ending switch half-levels) so don't worry about the pipe.
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Postby Lv27MarkerMMan » 7 years ago

Septentrion Pleiades wrote:It seems too difficult. Can you even pass it without savestates? Enemy placement seems to be mostly base on killing the player at death passages. It should be playable at a much more organic way.

Many of the enemies don't fit at all with the aesthetics. Clouds definitely stick out in this sort of place. Also, the moles do not fit at all, and are a cheap death as it's impossible to comprehend what is happening beforehand. You should consider changing theme of the enemies.

The purple block arrow wouldn't be necessary if you didn't put a place to land on up there.

Also, you should end the level with a door(this was decided as the method of ending switch half-levels) so don't worry about the pipe.
Yes, I can beat this without savestates. It took me several tries, but I beat it. The arrow is there to let sprites through, not the player without using a sprite block.

The directions said end or post game difficulty (I forget which). Have you played limepie's level or one of raocow's two levels? Those are MUCH harder than what I have.

However, I guess it could be fun to alter the asthetics of some blocks and enemies a bit. Also I will add coins and other things to make blind jumps less blind.
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Postby Septentrion Pleiades » 7 years ago

Lv27MarkerMMan wrote: Yes, I can beat this without savestates. It took me several tries, but I beat it. The arrow is there to let sprites through, not the player without using a sprite block.

The directions said end or post game difficulty (I forget which). Have you played limepie's level or one of raocow's two levels? Those are MUCH harder than what I have.

However, I guess it could be fun to alter the asthetics of some blocks and enemies a bit. Also I will add coins and other things to make blind jumps less blind.
I was talking about this arrow, and how you don't need to allow the player up there.
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It was already determined that "Further over there" is too hard so we can't compare to that one, but I remember "betrayal rock" being much less deadly. You should try to rely less on bottle-necking the player into death and allow more flexible gameplay. It is possible to keep the difficulty up, but it will be quite fun if you can pull it off.
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Postby Lv27MarkerMMan » 7 years ago

I took what I was told and modified my level based on the feedback.

@Septentrion Pleiades
That arrow was originally designed to show that you need to go straight down to be safe since it was a blind drop.

Rushing can make it easier to get past the moles. In a lot of my test runs after jumping on the red parakoopa I often went under the baseball chuck and it is a clear run from there. If you jump up the stairs right you should be able to get to spot where nothing can hurt you.
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Postby Septentrion Pleiades » 7 years ago

The arrow could be replaced by a barrier that prevents you from going up there. Also my problem with moles was that they were too confusing(fixed now), not hard to get by.

New stuff: The clouds are quite nice now, but I think transparency between the lines instead of black would make it look perfect. A lot of your enemies seem out of place, graphically, but I'm sure you can fix that easily.

Design flaws: You should consider making a nicer beginning. It's unlikely that the music for the switch places will start on such a dramatic note so your level shouldn't either. Screen 08-09 has empty a huge empty space if the player decides to go up. Avoid using certain types of enemies only once.

Finally, I would like to say that you should try making it less linear, as switch palaces are traditionally puzzles in hacks. It doesn't even have to be a puzzle, but do something more than left to right.

This is the most developed level for the switches we have so far, and we should really get some of the leadership to comment on what's being done right.
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Lv27MarkerMMan » 7 years ago

Septentrion Pleiades wrote: Design flaws: You should consider making a nicer beginning. It's unlikely that the music for the switch places will start on such a dramatic note so you level shouldn't either.
Aren't the 2 music choices that are narrowed down in rule#2 of the switch palaces forum relatively dramatic?
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Postby Septentrion Pleiades » 7 years ago

Lv27MarkerMMan wrote:Aren't the 2 music choices that are narrowed down in rule#2 of the switch palaces forum relatively dramatic?
Neither of them of the death right away types, and compared to SMW boss music, are quite tame.
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Kevinskie555 » 7 years ago

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Ometeotl » 7 years ago

...Yeah, there's a lot of glitched graphics in my level for some reason. They weren't there in the testing or development, so something had to go wrong on insertion.

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby S.N.N. » 7 years ago

Glitched graphics could either be caused by one of two things:

1. Someone (in their infinite wisdom) overwrote ExGFX files or Map16 reserved by other people in the ROM. As long as someone has kept a base ROM archive handy, this should be fairly simple to fix.
2. The ROM is getting too full, and as such, something like levelASM is overwriting ExGFX files. Having taken a look at the base ROM, this seems like it could be likely. It can typically be fixed by extracting and reinserting graphics, but the best solution would be that transfer to a fresh ROM which is (apparently) being worked on.

Hopefully it's the first one.

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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Kevinskie555 » 7 years ago

I think the graphics are glitched because you overwrote SP1 with something entirely different. (SP1 contains running particles and other important stuff)
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Septentrion Pleiades » 7 years ago

It's my switch room, on the level below yoshi's house. I've been having a lot of work to make sure the enemies didn't break the level.

http://www.mediafire.com/?1kcmqfar1r6c03t
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Re: Testing and Development: Deadline-one week after comment

Postby Isocitration » 7 years ago

My switch room is also ready for testing. It's pretty hard, but I think the difficulty is warranted considering at what point in the game the switches are at. It might also be a bit on the long side, but after playing through a few other levels in the base rom the length seems about average for half a level.

The level on the overworld you'll want to play is Yoshi's House.

Also it's based on the WtH2 room in this video: http://youtu.be/vMhosqEp9Ek?t=3m45s

Anyway, download link: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/68067696/LevelFA.ips
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