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name this garbage hack

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Lord Ruby wrote: 4 months ago That timeline seems a bit too optimistic, to be honest. I can maybe finish at some point in January. But note: My "maybe", Luck's "my hope", Cam's "if we can find time".
to be specific we'd like to say that, implying there is literally zero further hiccups of "oh shit we need to adjust this to fit with an additional plot thing", we can 100% have these done in drafting by the end of the year. from there, there'd likely be a revision process of some kind, and the people who are actually putting these in-game would almost certainly have to adjust shit with us giving consultance, which we'd wager is something that would take at LEAST to the end of february. and of course, any plot stuff related to the postgame is NOT on us, so if that doesn't wrap up sooner/around the end...
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Lord Ruby wrote: 4 months ago That timeline seems a bit too optimistic, to be honest. I can maybe finish at some point in January.
That should still work.
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OK, I believe this is what's left before the set deadline of March:
  • I owe two more SPECIAL Rooms and the Credits
  • Bumpty owes two more SPECIAL Rooms
  • There are three more SPECIAL Rooms up for grabs that need claiming
  • PSI Ninja owes us the Postgame Access Area level
  • Lord Ruby owes us the Final Boss
  • Camwoodstock & Tori owes us the cutscenes
  • There some things related to accessing the Quickwarp level that still need addressing
Am I missing anything?
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I am actually super unsure we will be finished with all of this by March, mostly the final boss, cutscenes and later bugtesting. I'm not sure how Cam & Tori are holding up recently, I think I heard they were going through Some Shit.

We could keep this as a "try to get most things finished" pre-final deadline though for now, scheduling and trying to impose Some Timeframe is important for a successful project, even if it's something casual like this.

I'm not 100% up to date on everyone's progress, being partly absent, so I can't impose a final deadline myself despite being one of the organizers (I'd be lying if SAJ and PSI weren't organizers of their own). But I feel like having sort of recurring deadline goals for most stuff should be handy with getting most stuff finished, though you have to be reasonable.

People cannot procrastinate exclusively, it's why I instantly let someone else have the Zinger, did not have the confidence in myself to finish that. I don't feel comfortable releasing a game to raocow without SPECIAL being done, birthday or otherwise, either.

Luckwaive just said (16:34 pm my time) they have events left to finish in the overworld, but everything else seems to be complete.

Also, Cam & Tori also stated that if things went fine and they got the drafts done at the end of last year, they'd probably have to do a lot of revisions and such until the end of February.

I trust Lord Ruby to be able to get his stuff done in a reasonable timeframe, but without burning himself out either.

I feel shooting for raocow's birthday isn't 100% guaranteed, though maybe the first half of the year should be decent enough? My biggest concern is avoiding crunch. My apologies if that's frustrating (sweat beads emoji)
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KobaBeach wrote: 3 months ago Also, Cam & Tori also stated that if things went fine and they got the drafts done at the end of last year, they'd probably have to do a lot of revisions and such until the end of February.
update on this! um. the past week and a half has been :monstrosity: :monstrosity: :monstrosity: (namely: ya girls are having Unchecked Stress Issues that have compounded into a Major False Alarm Yikes Scenario and Tori is like the only reason we aren't in full dysfunction mode) so we, still haven't gotten to sit down and write the drafts, let alone scribble up some example gfx for 'em.

BUT. we will say this. part of what's been such a huge obstacle (mental-block wise, not "irl impediment" wise is if it's acceptable to put a cutscene inbetween where SCENE 2 and SCENE 3 were in our original rough drafts. see this specific post. if we can get confirmation that's fine, we might be able to start cooking... irl and our own mental health providing, ofc.

also yeah, we'd wager that between us and also Everything Else, odds are we are. not hitting ronco's birthday, let alone releasing sometime near A2XT:E2. probably the same half of the year! but no sooner than that. which in our humble opinion is good, both bc it means we have basically zero risk of crunching everyone else, but also depending on how things time out, we might get to release after A2XT:E2 has had its time to simmer, and ronco's played the majority of it--that way, we can hopefully let both of those projects shine, rather than dropping these more-or-less back-to-back on one another and just having the two overshadow one another.
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camwoodstock wrote: 3 months ago ya girls are having Unchecked Stress Issues that have compounded into a Major False Alarm Yikes Scenario and Tori is like the only reason we aren't in full dysfunction mode)
bless this dummy lioness. i feel like half of my kins are also the reason i stay stable, mostly giantkin and whatever husbando im brainrotting abt, so i kind of heavily relate to this despite not being plural

srsly you have no idea how much the concept of huge men help with my mental stability, like literally. me getting decent at drawing is a lifechanger (some girls are fine too but i'm pickier abt that lmao)
camwoodstock wrote: 3 months ago also yeah, we'd wager that between us and also Everything Else, odds are we are. not hitting ronco's birthday, let alone releasing sometime near A2XT:E2. probably the same half of the year! but no sooner than that. which in our humble opinion is good, both bc it means we have basically zero risk of crunching everyone else, but also depending on how things time out, we might get to release after A2XT:E2 has had its time to simmer, and ronco's played the majority of it--that way, we can hopefully let both of those projects shine, rather than dropping these more-or-less back-to-back on one another and just having the two overshadow one another.
I agree, I'd much rather both of our idiot projects should get their own time to shine (A2XT2 and AAT cannibalizing eachother would be really sad), but I also want to be sure the other two organizers, SAJ and PSI are fine with that.

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KobaBeach wrote: 3 months ago
camwoodstock wrote: 3 months ago also yeah, we'd wager that between us and also Everything Else, odds are we are. not hitting ronco's birthday, let alone releasing sometime near A2XT:E2. probably the same half of the year! but no sooner than that. which in our humble opinion is good, both bc it means we have basically zero risk of crunching everyone else, but also depending on how things time out, we might get to release after A2XT:E2 has had its time to simmer, and ronco's played the majority of it--that way, we can hopefully let both of those projects shine, rather than dropping these more-or-less back-to-back on one another and just having the two overshadow one another.
I agree, I'd much rather both of our idiot projects should get their own time to shine (A2XT2 and AAT cannibalizing eachother would be really sad), but I also want to be sure the other two organizers, SAJ and PSI are fine with that.
It should be noted that raocow has already saied he wouldn't play both at the same time. Having said that, I'm not having A2XT2 and AAT played B2B is a good idea; I'm just not sure about pushing the cutoff date again. If PSI Ninja is OK with it, then 👍.
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SAJewers wrote: 3 months ago It should be noted that raocow has already saied he wouldn't play both at the same time. Having said that, I'm not having A2XT2 and AAT played B2B is a good idea; I'm just not sure about pushing the cutoff date again. If PSI Ninja is OK with it, then 👍.
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Oddwrath suggested doing August again, because she misunderstood the thread title (i NEED to change that shit), but honestly we can discuss it as a team on Discord and here on the forums.

I'd appreciate it if we could finish what's necessary, do the bugtesting and such and release it before the end of this year, but I feel like that's something we need to discuss as a group, so we can give ourselves enough time while also not giving too much leeway for procrastination.

Hope I'm not sounding too enabling!
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KobaBeach wrote: 3 months ago
SAJewers wrote: 3 months ago It should be noted that raocow has already saied he wouldn't play both at the same time. Having said that, I'm not having A2XT2 and AAT played B2B is a good idea; I'm just not sure about pushing the cutoff date again. If PSI Ninja is OK with it, then 👍.
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Oddwrath suggested doing August again, because she misunderstood the thread title (i NEED to change that shit), but honestly we can discuss it as a team on Discord and here on the forums.

I'd appreciate it if we could finish what's necessary, do the bugtesting and such and release it before the end of this year, but I feel like that's something we need to discuss as a group, so we can give ourselves enough time while also not giving too much leeway for procrastination.

Hope I'm not sounding too enabling!
Right now, I wouldn't worry too much about bugtesting. What we need right now is a hard deadline for remaining content, and some sort of assurance that people will be able to meet that deadline, SPECIAL nothwithstanding.
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The way I see it, I think it's reasonable to expect that all content in the hack will be inserted by March. There's honestly not too much left to do right now, and once we get Luckwaive's overworld inserted within the next day or so, a lot of things that depend on it will fall into place. So in other words, I think a content deadline of early March makes sense. That should be ample time for everyone to "comfortably" be able to finish their stuff without extending the deadline too far. All I want is for us to avoid the crunch that the A2XT2 team is currently experiencing. I've been following A2XT2 development on the ASMT Discord, and I feel bad about how stressed out they've become. I want work on AAT to be fun for everyone involved; ultimately, it's just a hobby that we're doing in our spare time. With that said, I'd rather not have to drag the content deadline out further than March (i.e., into the latter half of the year). There comes a time where we should finally move on, and personally speaking, there's a bunch of other creative projects I'd like to pursue afterwards. I think others feel the same way, too.

Bugtesting is another matter. Fully testing the completed hack from start to finish will be crucially important. We need to be even more careful with testing AAT than for A2XT2, because it's not going to be simple to do emergency hotfixes like in SMBX (e.g., worrying about whether or not .srm can still carry over, whether new patches won't overwrite anything else, etc.). For example, we'll need to test the game completely with both Demo and Iris, and also on different save files and emulators (the latest versions of Mesen and Snes9x). We'll need enough time for enough testers to go through the game at least once. I would figure at least a month for full hack testing, factoring in people's free time and availability. I would be very uncomfortable releasing this hack for raocow to play without adequate bugtesting.

Regarding raocow's LP schedule, it's up to him if he wants to play A2XT2 and AAT back-to-back, assuming that both will be R-Zone'd. I don't mind actually if he does. I just don't want them to be played concurrently on different slots, but thankfully, SAJ assured us that wouldn't be the case. If there's concern about playing the games in too close proximity to each other, then maybe he can do a small project in between, like a short ROM hack or SMBX game. So therefore, we should ideally wrap up our bugtesting/polish phase to coincide sometime near the end of the A2XT2 LP. Seems like that timeframe would be approximately midyear.
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Yes, it should be fine to put a cutscene in between scenes 2 and 3 that checks if you've beaten all the bosses first. I think I proposed something similar to that in the past.
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PSI Ninja wrote: 3 months ago Yes, it should be fine to put a cutscene in between scenes 2 and 3 that checks if you've beaten all the bosses first. I think I proposed something similar to that in the past.
great! pretty much our only question would be what the start of rift collapse (the level that leads in to world 8) looks like, since we might wanna do smth fun for the scene graphics but we'd need to. See the level SGDFJ
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for those not looking at the story thread, a spoiler-free update:
  • the rough draft process is DONE
  • we still need gfx for scenes 2.5 and 3 (yes, 2.5). 3 will likely be a screenshot of a level but 2.5 will require custom art for it. this is currently the biggest roadblock, if you are a capable and willing artist check that thread out
  • we still need to lock in all the script revisions and then after we get all the GFX we'd like to also revise the scene 1 graphics to not use our awful sketches. this is not as high priority as actually getting the missing GFX though.
  • we'd like to get the drafted GFX done by march 15th and hopefully the cutscenes done by april 7th--these aren't exactly concrete but we'd very much appreciate it!
Disk Poppy wrote: 2 months ago how much jank as of today?
we're still running the calculations on that unfortunately,
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Disk Poppy wrote: 2 months ago how much jank as of today?
The only things left that I can think of before we're considered "done" is The Final Boss, some cutscenes (as mentioned above), the Overworld events, 4 SPECIAL Rooms, and the credits.

PSI Ninja had set a hard cutoff date of March 5 (raocow's borthday) for this, so that's 2 weeks to wrap things up.
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Disk Poppy wrote: 2 months ago how much jank as of today?
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hey so this was just posted on smwc; can we use this instead of the vanilla music in THE OBSTACLE?

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SAJewers wrote: 2 months ago hey so this was just posted on smwc; can we use this instead of the vanilla music in THE OBSTACLE?

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So are Iris and Pily costumes are still going to be in the game
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davin282 wrote: 1 month ago So are Iris and Pily costumes are still going to be in the game
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Iris is in, possibly alongside a 2P mode? I forget exactly, someone else from the dev team may answer this better. Pily is not though, her SMBX sprites would require the 32x32 player sprite patch to be inserted which would not be viable at this late hour due to the amount of testing it'd need.

We could go and try to recreate her old A2MT graphics from Chdata's old boss (I think old pictures of it are archived somewhere?) but I think it's best we focus on what we currently have to finish rn and get this kusoge finished, and save Pily for an AAT2 bonus feature if at all, especially since we'd have to make cape sprites and such.

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I just asked SAJewers how things where going :O I *specifically* said "no pressure"
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raocow wrote: 2 weeks ago I just asked SAJewers how things where going :O I *specifically* said "no pressure"
to be fair there's a SPECIFIC thing that's just constantly been added to and honestly? we needed a hard deadline. valentine making a casual remark + post-9pm brain wound up rusing me into doing it indirectly
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for a spoiler-free cutscene/story update: we will have the script finalized before we go to bed unless we physically pass out. this is your Cam & Tori Promise!
raocow wrote: 2 weeks ago I just asked SAJewers how things where going :O I *specifically* said "no pressure"
you said you are giving no pressure, and to be fair--you are! ...it's because we're doing this one to ourselves because multiple people, independently, roughly at the same time, were like "Hard deadline?" and thus it was so. ;P
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camwoodstock wrote: 2 weeks ago this is your Cam & Tori Promise!
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