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would you like to participate in some fun contests? would you like to create some fun contests? well ^_^
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Re: the 22nd talkhaus vgm guessing game - Game end! Scores posted, thank for play

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shamelessly copied from ameijinmayo's post

That's right, folks, it's time for another talkcordhaus Video Game music guessing contest, hosted by me this time around. This'll be my first time hosting one of these, so please take good care of me or whatever. All forum and related forum discord members are free to take part in this contest, both new and old. But anywho, without further delay, I'll sum up how this contest works:

The Gist
  • At the end of this post is a playlist of 60 video game song snippets! The goal of the game is to see how many of the snippets you can correctly guess.
  • You can send your guesses to me via PM (for the forums), or via Discord direct message (I'm on both patapon spotzone and in talkcordhaus).
  • You may also opt to put your guesses directly into the forum thread; just be aware that you risk other players stealing your answers if you choose to do so.
The Hints
  • Hints are divided into two types: Public and Private. Each track has one (1) Public Hint and one (1) Private Hint.
  • Public Hints generally have to do with what game the song is from. For example, the public hint for REVENGE OF SWITCHES PRESSED would be "hey there raocow, this is everyone".
  • Public hints are posted to the thread on the Monday following the first time they are requested, and are also edited into the post with all the songs. I will try to post public hints at the same time each week.
  • Public Hints may be requested either via forum post or through the same PM methods as guess submissions. To prevent Hint-bombing, no one player may request more than three (3) public hints per week.
  • Private Hints generally have to do with the context the song is heard in. For example, the private hint for REVENGE OF SWITCHES PRESSED would be "I made the level."
  • Private Hints are distributed via PM on request. There is no upper limit on how many private hints you may request at any given time.
The Scoring
  • Score is split into Game and Context.
  • Guessing the game before the Public Hint is given out grants two (2) points. Guessing the game after the Public Hint is given out grants one (1) point.
  • Guessing the context before receiving the Private Hint grants two (2) points. Guessing the context after receiving the Private Hint grants one (1) point.
  • Correctly identifying an IMPOSTOR track as an impostor is worth an additional two points. This is doubled if you include a credible link to the IMPOSTOR. A fully correct IMPOSTOR is worth a total of eight (8) points. (For the impostors: think remixes, like you would find at vgmusic.com)
  • Correctly identifying an INTRUDER track is worth four points. This is doubled if you include a credible link to the INTRUDER. A fully correct INTRUDER is worth a total of eight (8) points. (For the intruders: this was not originally in a video game. It may have been included in one after-the-fact, but it did not originate from one)
The Deadline
  • The deadline for the contest will be 2022-10-31 14:00 CDT (here's a link to a timezone-adjusted deadline). I am open to extending the deadline if it becomes necessary, but really six weeks might just be overkill.
  • You're free to swap out guesses for songs before the deadline. Do not worry about switching to a "wrong" guess - once you submit a correct guess, it's locked in (though if you post your guesses to the forum, please do not edit your post with the guesses - make a new one instead, so that I can honor this for "public" guesses).
Here's a zip file containing all of the snippets.
  1. Boobietrap Bath Tub
  2. Hold your hand up to the sky
  3. Hey there raocow, this is Everyone
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Re: 22 - the talkcordhaus super vgm guessing game never ends

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Just a quick clarification: there is more than one intruder - I had to convert one of the regular entries to an intruder entry at ten minutes before game start because whoops that's not actually a videogame, and I didn't have my backup selections on hand any more. It still has "game" and "context" so it can be scored as either an intruder or as an impostor; I will score correct guesses for the track in question as whatever is more favorable (so if you correctly guess it as game/context/impostor/source you'll be credited as though it's an impostor, while if you correctly guess it as intruder/source you'll be credited as though it's an intruder)
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oh hey maybe i can enter this one since you're in spotzone and i won't have to be middleman
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fun fact: my original gimmick idea for this was that it was a collaborative effort to score So Many Points and that the game would end once that many points were scored. I decided against that idea at one point, probably because I wanted more to include the impostors and needed some way to make them "fair"
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Re: 22 - the talkcordhaus super vgm guessing game never ends

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Are we allowed to say if we know some songs and how many we know? I think I know a few of them, but I am afraid if it might be a scam or something b/c I've never played the game so what if it was in more than one game or some of them sound like they might have been enhanced or something so if I think I know it, should I just guess? I still haven't listened to all of the tracks.
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all that, and you're even allowed to post your guesses directly into the forum thread if you want. just be aware that other people can use your guesses if you do that.
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Re: 22 - the talkcordhaus super vgm guessing game never ends

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wait so i'm confused, on top of guessing the game we also have to guess context? tbh the OP doesn't quite explain what "context" is in this case aaaa

not even halfway through and damn, fans of a certain series are eating good this contest
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"Context" is just when in-game the song is played. It can be the song title, a description of when the song is played, whatever. So long as you're more precise than just "A Super Mario Thing."

And you still get points for just guessing what game the song is from.
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wait, so is there no penalty for asking for hints of either variety? can i just ask you for every private hint immediately????
also no partial points for guessing series?
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2. No partial points for guessing series this time. Mostly because I have a bunch of songs from the same series in here so it's actually possible for someone to get a chunk of points by just saying "they're all from $series" if I were awarding that.

1. The "penalty" for hints, as it were, is baked into the scoring - it's two points if you guess unhinted, one point if you guess hinted. If you ask for all the private hints you'll basically lose a quarter of the potential maximum score.
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Three public hints were requested this week:
  • #10: Boobietrap Bath Tub
  • #14: Hold your hand up to the sky
  • #37: Hey there, raocow, this is Everyone
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thank you for making an easy one i got like 20 right this time
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I hope that the public hint system doesn't return because now i just get less points by default if i were to participate because i did not notice this was going on until now. But fortunately I won't participate because having the guess the context of a song adds a slight extra layer of annoyance to the whole thing that I don't think I'd have fun.

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oh yeah should i submit early because i have some discovered but if i sit on them i lose points bcuz of public hints? like for example i already got #37 when i took a look at this but bcuz i didn't submit i just lose points by default

i do agree it's a very bad system that sucks tho
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yeah I think if public hints do come back at all then the only "penalty" will be that everybody gets the hint. I'm seeing a lot of people getting discouraged because now that some public hints are up they're not able to get A Perfect Score.

(that people are opting not to play over knowing that they're short three points out of a total of 200+ is... interesting)

Which the points penalty being applied to everybody who submitted correct guesses after was why I had a cap of three public hints per player per week in the first place.

Also I found another ambiguous scoring situation - one of the regular tracks can also be scored as an impostor (and I've actually gotten more submissions that named the original piece rather than what I was scoring it under...) so that's also going to fall under Generous Scoring Rules.
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no public hints were requested during week 2 so there's that I guess.
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no public hints were requested during Week 3
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no public hints were requested during week 3
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Yeah, I don't think there are going to be any public hints unless they're done as a joke.
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I usually go all-out with hints but I'd feel really bad doing that when it would hurt other people's score. :cc
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i forgot this was happening
this is way too many weeks for one of these, lmao
i'll see if i can remember what i was doing but i still don't understand the "context" thing with submissions, i think i only got half points for what i did submit bcuz of that? but i;m not sure?
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context is "when does the song play in-game" - it can be as specific as "here's the song title from the OST" or as vague as "it plays when you're fighting bosses"
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The final week has begun; the game ends 2022-10-31 14:00 CDT (here's a link to a timezone-adjusted deadline).
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I still need to do scoring - there's enough fuzzy matching for the context guesses that it's not something that's "already done" - and there's a couple of edge cases where my notes listed it as one thing but it also qualifies as an impostor/intruder under strict interpretation of the game rules and I need to sit down and figure out what guesses fall under which edge cases so that I can score them Generously (especially for #37)

Here's a youtube playlist containing (almost) all of the songs.

TRACK LIST:
  1. Final Fantasy II - Magician's Tower
    Public Hint: "The story of the Wild Rose Rebellion"
    Private Hint: "The Not-So-Ultimate Magic"
  2. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 - Ice Cap Zone, Act 1
    Public Hint: "But if you go round-for-round, you never gonna last"
    Private Hint: "Plenty of Hard Times here."
  3. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons - Level 7 - Explorer's Crypt
    Public Hint: "Power"
    Private Hint: "Yes Capes!"
  4. Commander Keen 4: Secret of the Oracle - Welcome to a Kick in the Pants in Good Ole Hillville
    Public Hint: "the last one raocow played"
    Private Hint: "vs the demo 1"
  5. Robo Gyro/Gyromite (either name was accepted since one was on the box and the other was in-game) - Game A
    Public Hint: "This game is so intense you can't play it alone!"
    Private Hint: "You needed ROB or a Player 2 for this mode."
  6. Ace Attorney: Justice for All (or whatever variation on that name you ended up using) - Psyche Lock
    Public Hint: "Victory is yours? Is that all this means to you...?"
    Private Hint: "Their first appearance"
  7. Bemani GB2 - Gotcha Mix - Catch You Catch Me (Impostor) / Cardcaptor Sakura OP 1 (Intruder)
    Public Hint: "It's all in the cards"
    Private Hint: "Gotta Catch 'em All"
  8. The Immortal - Spores
    Public Hint: "imagine if some jackass who was not involved in the creation of the movie at all decided to just comment on what he thought watching the movie would be like"
    Private Hint: "hey what do you know; mushrooms, and a dead king"
  9. Might and Magic 7: For Blood and Honor - Emerald Island
    Public Hint: "Do you wanna rule a kingdom?"
    Private Hint: "Eire"
  10. Shantae and the Pirate's Curse - Back to the Roots (Cackle Tower)
    Public Hint: "Boobietrap Bath Tub"
    Private Hint: "No spiders this time"
  11. Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (GBC) - Gnome-Tossing Contest
    Public Hint: "Oi, Scarhead!"
    Private Hint: "don't tell the elf"
  12. Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land - Stage Theme X / Rail Theme
    Public Hint: "Wahaha!"
    Private Hint: "Riding shotgun on the sunset, stare it in the eye"
  13. Ace Attorney: Trials and Tribulations - Godot's Theme "The Fragrance of Dark Coffee"
    Public Hint: "The color 'red' doesn't exist in my world."
    Private Hint: "hotter and more bitter than hell itself..."
  14. The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword - Grooze's Daze
    Public Hint: "Hold your hand up to the sky"
    Private Hint: "Clearly, you have a dizzying intellect"
    Note: I will be scoring this fairly generously even for the changes I've had to make at the last minute - the reference video I had in the playlist got removed so now I can't prove that it's specifically 'that song,' so as long as you mentioned Groose in your guess you got the context points.
  15. Westwood Monopoly - Park Place
    Public Hint: "The most popular board game in history"
    Private Hint: "The only song you were guaranteed to hear"
  16. Pinball Fantasies - Party Land
    Public Hint: "I warned you about stairs, bro..."
    Private Hint: "Have some cake and ice cream"
  17. Mushihimesama - Stage 2 Theme (Furthermore, Cross the Desert Too)
    Public Hint: "A danmaku game that isn't touhou!?"
    Private Hint: "Sure is dry in here"
  18. Apollo Justice - Klavier Gavin's Theme ~ Guilty Love
    Public Hint: "Objection! Th...that's just dumb!"
    Private Hint: "Inexplicable Guitar Solo"
  19. (IMPOSTOR) Mega Man II - Air Man (by rushjet1)
    Public Hint: "It's about time"
    Private Hint: "I’ve noticed that every time I play, around that same spot…"
  20. Kingdom Hearts - Olympus Coliseum
    Public Hint: "I know now, without a doubt"
    Private Hint: "A fun diversion"
    Note: I had both this one and the KHII version in the selection pool, and on the first shuffle both of them ended up on the Tracklist.
  21. Rush - Superconductor (INTRUDER)
    Public Hint: "Show, don't Tell"
    Private Hint: "Packaged like a rebel or a hero"
    Note: I originally meant to score this as an Impostor of DOOM - E1M4 (Kitchen Ace and Taking Names), but the overlap between the two songs is short enough that I was going to get more guesses of Superconductor no matter how I cut it (I would have actually needed to mute the 'vocal' track and at that point the VGM Game stops pretending to be fair). Besides, after what happened with Star Fox The Thread scoring it as a Rush song is more on-brand anyway.
  22. Pinball Dreams - Ignition
    Public Hint: "I told you, dawg!"
    Private Hint: "Your circuit's dead, is something wrong?"
  23. Persona Q2: New Cinema Labyrinth - ROAD LESS TAKEN
    Public Hint: "How good are you at drawing maps, Joker?"
    Private Hint: "I'm sorry you had to see that."
    Note: I actually got congratulated by one of the participants for picking a song with lyrics that they couldn't 'just' google up an answer for.
  24. Kirby's Dream Land - Spicy Curry/Sweet Potato
    Public Hint: "It's a name you should know"
    Private Hint: "I'm feelin' HOT HOT HOT"
  25. Gurumin: A Monstrous Adventure - Meter Corridor (Plop! Goes the Whirling Wizard)
    Public Hint: "This is a drill"
    Private Hint: "I am merely an innocent monster passing by"
    Note: Yet another track where I need to be generous with the Context scoring
  26. Baldur's Gate - Candlekeep
    Public Hint: "Named for the famed city"
    Private Hint: "The assassins smell like asses"
  27. Trickster Online - Megalopolis (Daytime)
    Public Hint: "The magnum opus of Don Cavalier"
    Private Hint: "The central hub"
  28. Hocus Pocus (DOS) - Squeal
    Public Hint: "I wanna cast Magic Missile"
    Private Hint: "It's freezing in here!"
    Note: If you remember MAGL The First, this was the underlying music for Sky High. No, I haven't actually gotten any better at porting midis to SMW.
  29. Kirby Super Star - Hilltop Chase (Gourmet Race Phase 2)
    Public Hint: "Ultra Special (note: not actualy ultra)
    Private Hint: "Delicious Hot Schmoes!"
  30. Ninja Gaiden (NES) - The Dragon Ninja (Stages 1-1, 5-2, and 6-3)
    Public Hint: "The one with Jacquio"
    Private Hint: "Better save up that ammo"
  31. Garfield: Caught in the Act - Count Slobula's Castle
    Public Hint: "This cat doesn't belong here!"
    Private Hint: "Down, boy!"
  32. Bravely Second: End Layer - This would be good, too. (Shop/Chompcraft theme)
    Public Hint: "And have the courage to disobey"
    Private Hint: "How many can you make?"
  33. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 - Unused / Hidden Palace Zone
    Public Hint: "Gotta Go Fast!"
    Private Hint: "This went unused in the original"
    Note: Not only was this private hint never requested, but at least one participant said it in their submission.
  34. Icewind Dale - Kuldahar Theme
    Public Hint: "It's just one big Ice World."
    Private Hint: "A Giant Tree Grows Here."
  35. Chase Ellis - Weather Channel (Intruder)
    Public Hint: "The wrath of winter continues."
    Private Hint: "And now, your Local on the Eights"
    Note: When I first put these hints together this was the only proper Intruder. Then I realized that #7 qualifies as an Intruder under strict interpretation of The Rules and it just kind of all went downhill from there.
  36. Persona 5 - Life Goes On (The song that plays during midterm/semester exams)
    Public Hint: "Pervasive Prison"
    Private Hint: "Study Hard!"
  37. Tetris Battle Gaiden - Haunted House (Impostor) / A Super Mario Thing - Revenge of Switches Pressed
    Public Hint: "Hey there raocow, this is Everyone"
    Private Hint: "I made the level"
    Note 1: Because the hints for this song were revealed before the game was officially opened, they do not count against your score for this song. Anybody who correctly guessed this song got full marks.
    Note 2: The closest anybody came to calling me out on including this song failed to actually name the game (they just said "you know the one").
    Note 3: I genuinely thought that ASMT was the first appearance of this song until last month, when the guesses started rolling in. I didn't actually pick any music for Revenge of Switches Pressed, it was set after the fact by the organizers.
  38. Disney's Ducktales - The Moon
    Public Hint: "I'm goin' to Disney World!"
    Private Hint: "Bang! Zoom!"
    Note: I apologize for the The Honeymooners reference - current societal issues with the origin aside, it's actually a bit too abstruse even for some of these other Private Hints (the full quote ends with "Straight to the Moon!" and the Private Hint only really works if you can mentally complete the quote). Honestly an IWBTG hint is what I should have used here since that's why I picked this song to begin with.
  39. Star Fox - Fortuna
    Public Hint: "ATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION"
    Private Hint: "When the dragons grow too mighty"
  40. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening - Mysterious Forest
    Public Hint: "Wake the Dreamer"
    Private Hint: "Why not try a bit in my hut?"
  41. Pokémon Gold & Silver - Pokémon Lullaby
    Public Hint: "Gotta Catch 'em All!"
    Private Hint: "A tiny grandma to bake more pocket cookies."
    Note: ...no, I'm not sure why I wrote that particular private hint either. I guess I just associate grandmas and lullabies?
  42. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 - Tantal (Impostor)
    Public Hint: "Waifu Simulator 2017"
    Private Hint: "Again with the Ice Worlds"
    Note: It was this track in particular that got me wanting to include Impostor tracks as well as the more traditional Intruders.
  43. Mega Man X - Opening Stage (Impostor)
    Public Hint: "Who are you calling a Maverick?"
    Private Hint: "an excellent tutorial"
    Note: Timbres of Heaven is a good soundfont, I promise, it just requires proper dynamics within the song to sound good and VGMusic is full of midis that are at 100% Volume 100% of the time so this was a bad match.
  44. Faxanadu - World of Mist
    Public Hint: "You are the elves' last hope"
    Private Hint: "Source of the poison"
  45. Cocoron - Character Select/Map
    Public Hint: "This is a happy little platformer."
    Private Hint: "Which way are we going next."
  46. Ninja Gaiden Trilogy (SNES) - Select Game
    Public Hint: "Remakes are so cliché"
    Private Hint: "Pick your poison"
    Note: Okay this might actually be the least fair track in the list.
  47. Persona Q: Shadow of the Labyrinth - Footsteps of Time (Clock Tower)
    Public Hint: "How good are you at drawing maps, sempai?"
    Private Hint: "Inevitability"
  48. Virtual Boy Wario Land - Level Theme 3 / Water Stage
    Public Hint: "This game gives people headaches"
    Private Hint: "Sure is wet in here"
  49. Cuphead - Dramatic Fanatic
    Public Hint: "Bring me those contracts"
    Private Hint: "Can you dance?"
  50. Kirby's Pinball Land - Whispy Stage
    Public Hint: "It keeps happening!"
    Private Hint: "Watch for falling gordos"
  51. Kirby's Dream Land 3 - Sand Canyon 1
    Public Hint: "Go ahead and go. Is that a volcano? I don't know!"
    Private Hint: "Look at these cacti! They are awesome!"
    Note: The video of the remix that uses game footage (and covers both songs) vanished :(
  52. (Mike Tyson's) Punch-Out!! - Round Theme
    Public Hint: "Listen up, mac!"
    Private Hint: "Dodge his punches, then counter-attack!"
  53. Trip Through the Grand Canyon (Intruder)
    Public Hint: "The most popular DOS program of 1990"
    Private Hint: "Ever gone down the Colorado River?"
    Note: This was the song that I had to convert from a regular track to an Intruder since Windows 3 isn't technically "a Game." My notes still had it as a game though so I scored it as whatever gave your guess more points.
  54. The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages - Jabu Jabu's Belly
    Public Hint: "Wisdom"
    Private Hint: "Water and Water and Water Water"
  55. Jill of the Jungle - Stage 1 Theme (Zeppelin)
    Public Hint: "Apogee's answer to Metroid"
    Private Hint: "Aren't you glad it's only context and not the title?"
    Note: On the one hand, it's a very useless private hint. On the other hand, it's the music from stage 1.
  56. Sonic Spinball - Toxic Caves
    Public Hint: "It never ends"
    Private Hint: "Worm Bagged!"
    Note: While this is the only one of the pinball games on this list that doesn't use sbahj for the public hint, it did inspire the use of sbahj for pinball game hints.
  57. Sonic the Hedgehog - Spring Yard Zone
    Public Hint: Genesis does what Nintendon't
    Private Hint: bigger than your yard
  58. Jazz Jackrabbit 2 - Tubelectric
    Public Hint: "Let's not keep her waiting"
    Private Hint: "Are you ready?"
    Note: I also scored it correct if you called it an impostor of Tubelectric from Jazz Jackrabbit The First.
  59. Persona 4 - Specialist (Midterms/Exams music)
    Public Hint: "Lost Limousine"
    Private Hint: "Study Hard!"
    Note: Why yes, I did have all three "exams" songs from the modern main-line Persona games in the candidates pool. Unlike with Olympus Coliseum, however, these songs are different and you can in fact tell them all apart just from listening, so it's still 'fair'.
  60. Ace Attorney - Trial
    Public Hint: "I object! That was... objectionable!"
    Private Hint: "All rise"
    Note: I got called out for including four different Ace Attorney songs.
Notes in case I do this again:
  1. Go back to Series/Game. Game/Context is too specific and confused too many people.
  2. No score penalties for Public hints - if somebody wants the Public Hint, then the price is that everybody gets the hint.
  3. Six Weeks is probably too long? There was a two week drought where nothing happened.
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Re: the 22nd talkhaus vgm guessing game - Game end! Answers and hints posted, scores to follow

Post by Crow »

i didn't submit for 36 or 59 but i had them marked down in my notes as
"probably persona 5" and "also very persona-y"
lol, ok
i've honestly never played a video game in my life
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