Episode 2 Worlds Discussion

[ztarwuff]

You know what? I just realised we're having two conversations about worlds. One in the Main Discussion thread and one here.

[SAJewers]

Let's fix that then.

[SAJewers]

OK, so I took all the levels currently in the queue with more approvals than rejects (basically, all but 8 levels with at least 1 approval), and tried to put together a world list based on those:

World 1 (Hills/Grass):
Totally Trollied
A Day in the life of raocow
Frolic
Welcoming Season
Shoezone 3
Post Production Void
The Second Longest Tree
Jumping Castle

World 2 (Snow):
Iceberg Backyard
Irridated Ice
Mountain Descent
Abode of the Bunnies

World 3 (Sand):
Demo's Journy Through Time
Approacing The Sand Temple
Lynari Desert

World 4 (Caves):
Obstacle Cource in a Cave
Extoplasmania
Mangrove Cavern
Bat an Eye
Sheath's Journey to Sheol

World 5 (City):
Mephisto's Cafe
LP Production Factory
Accident
Entropy Engine
What about Railways?
Industrial Pandemonium
Way Too Highrise

World 6 (Beach/Water):
Seaside Slumber
Sea Turtle Sanctuary
The Shrine Under The Sea
Starlight Resort: Grand Reopening
Coral Climb
Sunrise

World 7 (Weird):
Demo's Fluffy Dream
Monoland
The Ups and Downs of a Demo
Field of Goopers 1
Everything is a Stone Block
Dark Prince
Night Light Fright

World 8 (Sky):
Flaceblock Bound
Soaring Sawmill
Panic Attack in High Altitude

Postgame (hardest levels):
Hakugyokurou

Assuming 9 regular levels with, a boss level, a town, and an intro level, that means we need the following regular levels:
- 1 World 1 Level
- 5 World 2 Levels
- 6 World 3 Levels
- 4 World 4 Levels
- 2 World 5 Level2
- 3 World 6 Levels
- 2 World 7 Level2
- 6 World 8 Levels
- 8 Postgame Levels

[Imaynotbehere4long]

World 1 (Hills/Grass):
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
Post Production Void
blah
blah

Just to clarify, my intent for The Post Production Void was not only for it to be the Auto Start Level, but also be inaccessible after completion like Destiny Island, making it more of a World Zero/introductory level. As such, I don't think it should count toward World 1's total levels.

[raocow]

so can we... can we like reserve slots ? or is it best to, like, just do levels normally and let it flow in naturally?

a2xt1 had uneven level numbers per world but there is something attractive about having a straight 'nine levels + one boss' all the way through...

[SAJewers]

I'm actually thinking making it 8 levels for the first 4, 10 levels for the next 4, then 9 for the postgame.

As for reserving levels, I'd rather just people make them as they come in. I'd rather cut the queue down first though, then see again.

World 1 (Hills/Grass):
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
Post Production Void
blah
blah

Just to clarify, my intent for The Post Production Void was not only for it to be the Auto Start Level, but also be inaccessible after completion like Destiny Island, making it more of a World Zero/introductory level. As such, I don't think it should count toward World 1's total levels.

I'm not even sure that's happening, as there's been talk from others that level be re-tooled for a later world, and any prologue be told in the tutorial.

that's still up for people to debate though; I'd rather make a decision on that.

[SAJewers]

I updated the official list.

Fun fact: we currently (as of this post) have more rejected levels than we do approved levels (25 to 22).

[WasabiJellyfish]

I do like the idea of having a consistent number of levels between worlds, could we get 9 or 10 throughout?

[WestonSmith]

Just a re-post from the other thread.

So, I see some very early world building has started on the wiki. Obviously, nothing is set in stone, and I do think the proper procedure is to let the submitted levels build the games structure and plot, but I'm gonna toss a few planet names out there based on plants. Also a couple of ideas.

World 1: Planet Clover - An "Irish" style planet, wish lush green grass, old style castles, lighthouses, lots of sheep, and a few boggy swamp lands.

World 2: Planet Boxwood - The snow planet. No real ideas, just a themed name.

World 3: Planet Cholla - The standard desert planet. Well, until you find your way into Demo's Journey Through Time. Since the level ends in the past, it would be SUPER cool if that caused the entire map to revert to the past as well. Suddenly, the desert planet might be lush and full of life once again.

World 4: Planet Liverwort - The cave planet. No real ideas, just a theme name.

World 5: Planet Cragside - The name is a reference to the location of the first power plant, thus keeping the theme naming alive (sort of).

World 6: Planet Posidonia - Water levels aren't overly common, mostly because they're hard to make work and can be tedious in a row. Having said that, I'm down for a water planet that's not really a water planet. I'd suggest pulling from MAGLX and having this be the home of Dracula's Castle. Make this a sort of cross up between water levels and creepy/haunted level. (SIDE NOTE: Sea Side Slumber would probably fit better in World 1, and wouldn't be out of place in an Irish themed world).

World 7: Planet Cannabis - Really, any "trippy" plant name would work, I just went for the obvious one. I'm not sure how a WTF world works, so I can't comment anything past the name.

World 8: Planet Redwood - The tallest trees seem fitting for the Sky Planet. It'd be cool to pull a reverse SMB3, and have the player start in the clouds before finding a tower to work their way down (Descent of Nine, possibly?). The ground planet could be the more traditional end game planet, with the dark gloomy stuff.

Just some thoughts. Still way too early to set anything in stone.

[ztarwuff]

Well, WestonSmith, if you're going to repost that, then I'm going to repost my other suggestion:

All the worlds are the same or similar, but set in different timezones.

So, take the Sahara for example. Present day it's a desert, but go back far enough and it's a savannah. Unsure if it ever went through an ice age, but why not?

[SAJewers]

OK, doing up another World list here, using level that have been approved, plus levels in the queue currently with 2 approvals(in bold)

World 1(8/8):
Totally Trollied
Jumping Castle
The Second Longest Tree
Welcoming Season
Muffin Bluff
Frolic
A day in the lift of raocow
Shoe Zone 3

World 2(4/8):
Iceberg Backyard
Irridated Ice
Abode of the Bunnies
Mountain Descent

World 3(5/8):
Demo's Journey Through Time
Approaching The Sand Temple
Lyrani Desert
Desert Dash: Goopa Brigade!
Awesome Moonlight Oasis Vinesaw Pool Party

World 4(5/8):
Obsticle Cource in a Cave
Ectoplasmania
Mangrove Cavern
Bat an Eye
Sheath's Journey to Sheol

World 5-1(5/5):
Mephisto's Cafe
What's about Railways?
Accident
Way too Highrise
Industrial Pandemonium

World 5-2(3/5):
LP Production Factory
Frightening Factory
Entropy Engine

World 6(6/10):
Sea Side Slumber
Sea Turtle Sanctuary
Sunrise
Starlight Resort: Grand Reopening
The Shrine Under the Sea
Coral Climb

World 7(7/10):
Demo's Fluffy Dream
Monoland
Sheath and The Mysterious House
raocow's Workday
Night Light Fright
field of goopers 1
Night Light Fright

World 8(5/10):
Faceblock Bound
Soaring Sawmill
Panic Attack in High Altitude
Flip Block Skyway
Hillside Romp

World 9(2/10):
Hakugyokurou
Muwha

[Duvi0]

So for the Tutorial's integration into the plot, I had a few ideas in a Skype chat.

[2:54:39 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: ok, so what essentially happens is Sheath is wandering the emptiness of the destroyed universe and Serac appears
[2:55:04 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: she tries to get Sheath to pay attention and save the universe
[2:55:38 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: but Sheath's attention span is incredibly short so she ends up leaving and Serac just pushes the switch on
[2:56:24 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: Demo then comes back into the universe, asking what happened
[2:56:35 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: confused, naturally
[2:57:25 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: Mishi comes back into the universe and is PISSED, but basically tells her that this is kind of what a lack of a universe looks like
[2:57:36 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: but it looks a lot clearer than it DID
[2:58:35 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: Demo gets to the switch, talks with Mishi for a few lines, and they restore the universe another little bit
[2:58:59 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: Kood comes back into existence, and so does Science
[3:00:02 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: Kood is going mad with the possibilities of documenting this plot and Science yells at him to "FOCUS. YOU RIDICULOUS. KOOPA."
[3:00:23 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: you play through Kood's segment and restore raocow
[3:01:21 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: raocow doesn't need any instructions, he's destroyed the universe enough times
[3:01:35 PM] Maciej B. // Minnakht: to know how to put it back?
[3:01:40 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: he knows how this works
[3:02:01 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: he just does raocow stuff and gets to his switch
[3:02:26 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: finally, Iris comes back with Pily
[3:03:22 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: Pily and Iris have a brief discussion where Iris is bitter about the situation and Pily brings her mood back up
[3:03:53 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: Iris then does Iris stuff and flips her own switch, crossing her lack of fingers that it might work
[3:04:15 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: and the universe comes back into existence, and the party comes back together
[3:04:46 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: Mishi and Pily are still with the group, but Serac mysteriously disappeared
[3:20:42 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: Science and Mishi are teamed up with the rest of them
[3:21:35 PM] what's the frequency, kenneth: maybe Leek Squadron #2 is Science, Pily, and Mishi, and Leek Squadron #1 is the A2XT crew

[Hoeloe]

So for the Tutorial's integration into the plot, I had a few ideas in a Skype chat.

Could work. At least one of the suggested storylines of the entire game basically covers this over the course of the game, though, so they probably wouldn't work together. Depends which direction we take the story really.

[SAJewers]

After a bit of discussion, Worlds 3 and 4 have been swapped.

[SAJewers]

ping

ping

You guys interested in doing the Overworld stuff again?

[Hoeloe]

You guys interested in doing the Overworld stuff again?

If not, I'm happy to try my hand at a couple of overworld things.

[SAJewers]

Only need 19 levels. Update (Only General Levels):

World 1(8/8 - filled):
Totally Trollied
Jumping Castle
The Second Longest Tree
Welcoming Season
Muffin Bluff
Frolic
A day in the lift of raocow
Shoe Zone 3

World 2(6/8 - need 2 levels):
Iceberg Backyard
Irridated Ice
Abode of the Bunnies
Mountain Descent
Castle Climb during Wintertime
Towards the New World

World 3(5/8 - need 3 levels):
Demo's Journey Through Time
Approaching The Sand Temple
Lyrani Desert
Desert Dash: Goopa Brigade!
Awesome Moonlight Oasis Vinesaw Pool Party

World 4(6/8 - need 2 levels):
Obsticle Cource in a Cave
Ectoplasmania
Mangrove Cavern
Bat an Eye
Sheath's Journey to Sheol
Glum

World 5-1(2/5 - need 3 levels):
The Shrine Under the Sea
Coral Climb

World 5-2(4/5 - need 1 level):
Sea Side Slumber
Sea Turtle Sanctuary
Sunrise
Starlight Resort: Grand Reopening

World 6(10/10 - filled):
Demo's Fluffy Dream
Monoland
Sheath and The Mysterious House
raocow's Workday
Night Light Fright
field of goopers 1
Night Light Fright
Let's go Backwards
raocow's Workday
Dark Prince

World 7-1(5/5 - filled):
Mephisto's Cafe
What's about Railways?
Accident
Way too Highrise
Industrial Pandemonium

World 7-2(4/5 - need 1 level):
LP Production Factory
Frightening Factory
Entropy Engine
Industrial Pandemonium

World 8(6/10 - need 4 levels):
Faceblock Bound
Soaring Sawmill
Panic Attack in High Altitude
Flip Block Skyway
Hillside Romp
Rainbow Raft Ride

World 9(6/10 - need 4 levels):
Hakugyokurou
Muwha
Fire Production Land
Super Cyclops Girl
Descent of Nine
Frenzy Citadel

[snoruntpyro]

Restating what I said in the skype group here -

I'm really not sure if world 1 should have two auto levels (shoe zone 3 and day in the life of raocow). We should probably move shoe zone 3 back to weird world.

Also I'm not sure why you put the two ghost house levels in the weird world (Night Light Fright and Sheath mystery house blah). Night Light Fright should probably be moved to earliergame, probably cave world. And last I heard Mikkofier wanted Sheath and the Mysterious House removed because he thought it was crap.

[SAJewers]

Shoe Zone 3 is in W1 because I need a spot for Dark Prince. Light Night Fright is in W6 because I thought it was too hard for an earlier world.
Fixed now.

[Sturg]

ping

You guys interested in doing the Overworld stuff again?

mmm, probably not. I think I'd like to give someone else a chance.

[Imaynotbehere4long]

A day in the lift of raocow

Oh man, I didn't know raocow has his own elevator!

[FrozenQuills]

We started on some world map building in the a2xt skype chats for worlds 1, 2, 4, 6, and 7: http://asmbxt.wikia.com/wiki/Episode2

[Pheonix]

ping

You guys interested in doing the Overworld stuff again?

How much new overworld stuff would I be doing, anyway? Just stuff to mark new levels, or new themes and the like?

Anyway, if there's still space by the time I actually get around to it, I might throw together a level of some description. No promises, though.

[Duvi0]

If no one else does, I'd like to do map or hub design!

[SAJewers]

ping

You guys interested in doing the Overworld stuff again?

How much new overworld stuff would I be doing, anyway? Just stuff to mark new levels, or new themes and the like?

Anyway, if there's still space by the time I actually get around to it, I might throw together a level of some description. No promises, though.

Yeah, probably just new OW tiles that we might need.