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AZCT: A Zelda Classic Thing - Basic Planning Thread

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Postby Nimono » 2 years ago

Nabe wrote:I'd been thinking that the tower would be a linear climb through unrelated floors, so if your submission has a map/compass/boss key, then I'll be sure to assign it a unique level number on import. (Although I would anyway; for isolated non-Triforce DMaps I've consistently used the DMap number as the level number for completeness.) That said, if someone planned their floor in a way that it uses the previous floor's map/compass/boss key, we'll sort out the order of the floors when they're complete to make that work.

Regarding your previous post, were you talking about the sideview segments in Level 3 and the shield mini?
Okay, thanks! And yeah, I was. I know most people aren't bothered by it, but I am, for some reason. Especially since you'd think disabling the Link marker for one map would turn it off for the other, too... It also doesn't help how I positioned the sideview rooms in Level 3...

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Postby Nabe » 2 years ago

raekuul wrote:Oh man I forgot that Voldemort did my level's music. I'll comb through VGM and see if I can't find anything that I like for my stuff. I might arrange something from Darksun.
Any update on this?
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Postby raekuul » 2 years ago

Nabe wrote:
raekuul wrote:Oh man I forgot that Voldemort did my level's music. I'll comb through VGM and see if I can't find anything that I like for my stuff. I might arrange something from Darksun.
Any update on this?
I'm thinking something starting from Sky Tower (PMD Blue Rescue Team) as arranged by PsytroniX for Wyvern's Cavern. Still not sure what to do for Promin Cliffs.

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Postby Heraga » 2 years ago

I seriously never view this forum. In hopes that I can push this project to completion, what has to be done?

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Postby Nabe » 2 years ago

Nin wrote:I seriously never view this forum. In hopes that I can push this project to completion, what has to be done?
I don't think there's too much else to be done, unless you want to just do a small cave segment (sideview). The big remaining stuff is boss coding, and some visual and audio stuff that I'm working on.

Have you used the engine before? If not, a handful of cave screens would not be too hard. But like, we're okay at this point otherwise. :)
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Postby Heraga » 2 years ago

Nabe wrote:
Nin wrote:I seriously never view this forum. In hopes that I can push this project to completion, what has to be done?
I don't think there's too much else to be done, unless you want to just do a small cave segment (sideview). The big remaining stuff is boss coding, and some visual and audio stuff that I'm working on.

Have you used the engine before? If not, a handful of cave screens would not be too hard. But like, we're okay at this point otherwise. :)
I've never created a sideview area, but I'll try my best! I'll get it done by Friday. All I ask is for a sideview tutorial if one is avaible.

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Nabe wrote:
Nin wrote:I seriously never view this forum. In hopes that I can push this project to completion, what has to be done?
I don't think there's too much else to be done, unless you want to just do a small cave segment (sideview). The big remaining stuff is boss coding, and some visual and audio stuff that I'm working on.

Have you used the engine before? If not, a handful of cave screens would not be too hard. But like, we're okay at this point otherwise. :)
I've never created a sideview area, but I'll try my best! I'll get it done by Friday. All I ask is for a sideview tutorial if one is avaible.
In the editor: Screen Data > S.Flags 1, check Sideview Gravity. You do that on any screen you want to make sideview. Combo 768 is a ladder combo. You'll also find all of the current sideview combos there. The first half are backdrop, the second half are solid foreground objects. You may also find the mountain combos 25 and 33 to be useful for walls and floors.

Other than that, there are also simple scripted sideview platforms, and we're capable of making complex scripted things too. If you want scripted elements like moving parts, it will be easiest if you design screens in the editor or on paper, leaving space in mind for whatever special elements you might want, then let me know what you have in mind so I can implement them.

Enemies in sideview areas are AZCT-styled enemies like the Mario enemies in Link's Awakening, and each sideview area introduces a different one. So in designing your cave, you should start by telling me some enemy types you might want to work with. I haven't gotten around to doing any of these caves yet myself, so it's somewhat likely that I'll need to implement the enemies you're looking for. Any enemy type from SMBX should be doable and fair game.

Other than that, you can do whatever you like with it. It's fairly easy to add new tiles and combos if need be. The music will be one of the cave songs from the other Thing games, so it's probably best if you keep to some kind of cave aesthetically, but not necessary.

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Postby Nabe » 2 years ago

CodeGorilla wrote:
Nabe wrote:@CodeGorilla, it's looking like Nimono wants to use 3. I really do think 4 and 5 has potential to be cool, though.
Sure. I didn't realize anyone else had responded to this yet. I'll see what I can do with four and five.
Hey, yo. How is this going?

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Postby CodeGorilla » 2 years ago

Nabe wrote:
CodeGorilla wrote:
Nabe wrote:@CodeGorilla, it's looking like Nimono wants to use 3. I really do think 4 and 5 has potential to be cool, though.
Sure. I didn't realize anyone else had responded to this yet. I'll see what I can do with four and five.
Hey, yo. How is this going?
Not great. I'm struggling to come up with a good concept, and I've been busy with outside things.

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Postby Awakenyourmind » 2 years ago

Hello. So I've been using Zelda Classic for over a decade now and I'm pretty good at adapting to ideas people have. Which things do you guys still need finished?

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Postby Nabe » 2 years ago

Franky wrote:Hello. So I've been using Zelda Classic for over a decade now and I'm pretty good at adapting to ideas people have. Which things do you guys still need finished?
You're faster than my PM. On its way now.

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Postby Awakenyourmind » 2 years ago

So I've started the postgame Dungeon. Shouldn't take too long, as I usually wok pretty quickly in ZC. Nabe, are you able to script a post game boss or should I contact someone myself?

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Postby Nabe » 2 years ago

Franky wrote:So I've started the postgame Dungeon. Shouldn't take too long, as I usually wok pretty quickly in ZC. Nabe, are you able to script a post game boss or should I contact someone myself?
Moosh and Lejes both have some cool bosses they did in the past for AZCT that don't have homes yet. (SPOILER, and shmuppy Touhou thing, respectively.) But if you have a specific new boss in mind, I can definitely get it done. Shoot me a PM.
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Postby Nabe » 1 year ago

Happy holidays, PM me on the forums if you need me in the next couple weeks.
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Postby Awakenyourmind » 1 year ago

Ill send you my boss idea soon. Thinking something dark and grim reaper looking. Still working out details.

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Postby Lejes » 1 year ago

Over a year in the making, I give you ARCHERY MINIGAME.

Well, not really a year, more like a few weeks. To be honest, I procrastinated so long that I completely forgot what the original concept was supposed to have been and can't find the original idea posts any more, so I winged it. It uses a round system like the archery mini games in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask, and I'd like some input on what I've got there. Once the fundamentals have been touched up I can focus on adding the bits that integrate it into the quest, like messages, prizes, etc.

With the last posts in this thread talking about a grim reaper boss, I actually coincidentally made one of those months ago. Is Franky still looking for something like that?

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Postby raekuul » 1 year ago

Wyvern's Cavern is going to use this arrangement of "Pictures at an Exhibition: I. Gnomus" by Modest Mussorgsky. Should work well with the "Not exactly Zelda" theme already going on with WC.

Promin Cliffs is going to use this arrangement of "Pictures at an Exhibition: IV. Bydlo Cart" by Modest Mussorgsky.

I'm adding the midi files to the levels' dropbox folders and I'll adjust them to use these midis. We may end up changing which instrument is being used - or if anyone wants to convert them to chiptune that's even better. I've added the midi files to the qsts in dropbox. I've also changed the boss room for Wyvern Cavern to have three Goriyas and an Aquamentus instead of two shooter statues, two goriyas and an Aquamentus.

Also, I remember at one point someone was making a custom boss for Promin Cliffs (level 6)? If that's not a thing anymore I can go back to the old "Patra that's vulnerable to arrows" plan. Also can someone go through Promin Cliffs and let me know if there are any major errors? I know there needs to be more abundant magic drops but beyond that I've got Creator's Blindness.

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Postby Nimono » 1 year ago

So what's the progress on this? Haven't heard much from anyone, starting to wonder how little interest there is for this anymore... :/ Also beginning to wonder if maybe we thought TOO big for our first Zelda Classic project.

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Postby raekuul » 1 year ago

From what I understand, we're on the world map side of things, plus we've got a bonus dungeon and final dungeon in the works (I don't have a dog in any of those races tho, so I can't give progress on them). I also need outside opinions on Promin Cliffs, plus I think we still need to replace He-Who-Wrecked-Our-Shit's dungeon.

I'd rather complete the world map and final dungeon first, then release the bonus dungeon later if we still have enough steam left to finish it.

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Postby Lejes » 1 year ago

The final dungeon seems like a game-in-review thing, though, and not all of the main dungeons are necessarily finalized. I don't have enough familiarity with everything we've put together so far to contribute anything to such a level, and my mapmaking/screen design skills are terrible anyway.

Promin Cliffs: I'll be honest, I'm not a fan. It's not very visually interesting, and manages to be short and easy while simultaneously kind of aggravating. There are hardly any enemies, so all of the challenge comes from falling through fake floors and needing to redo most of it. I feel like if you're going to use fall/redo as a hazard, it should be in some isolated three to five room vertical section that rewards you with a key or something, rather than being integrated into criss-crossing paths in the main dungeon.

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Postby raekuul » 1 year ago

There are hardly any enemies, so all of the challenge comes from falling through fake floors and needing to redo most of it. I feel like if you're going to use fall/redo as a hazard, it should be in some isolated three to five room vertical section that rewards you with a key or something, rather than being integrated into criss-crossing paths in the main dungeon.
I would love to change the hell pit "difficulty" into enemy-based difficulty for a number of reasons (big one being "now we're not facing a magic shortage"), but there really aren't a lot of vanilla enemies that work well in sideview - either they're too easy to defeat because they're more predictable in their movements, or they're a lot harder to defeat because your movements are restricted.

I should take the fake floors out of the hell pit for the time being tho, because of the magic shortage thing.

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Postby Lejes » 1 year ago

sideview enemy pack (by Moosh)

If you have trouble getting any of these set up, I can put them all into Level 6 - Promin Cliffs.qst for you later. There's a text file, too, that explains what each enemy does.

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Postby Nabe » 1 year ago

Hey guys, Dark Souls III is a really good game.


The Small List

The first overworld is done in the master (playable) aside from enemies on most screens, and a couple cutscenes that still aren't written.

Level 2 is in the progress of being built by a Hyrule.net IRCer named Fierce Muffin, and I'm sure it'll get done because I'll build from his paper draft if he doesn't finish it. :D He's waiting on two scripts from me as well, which someone else could write if they wanted to, pretty trivial.

Level 4 needs a custom boss. Moosh said he might do something, but I haven't heard anything since.

Level 5 has a custom boss by CodeGorilla, and he's just recovered his hard drive so we have all the scripts for that. Everything's good there. :D

The second overworld needs some enemy tweaks here and there, and about 20 more screen secrets. Anyone who wants to make a couple of those, feel free.

I've still got visual polish stuff for levels 6 and 8 in the pipeline as well as the Wand mini, it's just fallen to the back end for now. There won't be a magic shortage at the end, so definitely don't design around it. Here's a video of all of the sideview enemies in Moosh's pack so you can see them in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeZn1w5wt24

The final dungeon is much less a game-in-review thing, and moreso just a cool thing that happens to reuse themes from the game. There's one floor unaccounted for, which would have to combine themes from levels 4 and 5. So level 4 has purple, demons, dark pits, and has a lot of Vires, Wallmasters and Pols Voice. The item is the bow and arrow. Level 5 is a ruined underground town with broken houses and a sewer, and there's an air of mystery around its origins, but it's also been artificially turned into a dungeon. So you've got town, sewer, cave, mystery, artificial / fake, and it has Ghinis and Gibdos and Like-Likes. The item is the Power Glove (lifts things). Both dungeons have a lot of puzzles and secrets, too. So there's a lot to work with there, and any dungeon floor that combines SOME of those ideas into a cool new thing would be welcome.


So to summarize,
Things To Be Done
  • Enemy placement in Overworld 1*
  • Two scripts for Level 2*
  • Level 4 boss
  • Secrets in Overworld 2*
  • Polish(Levels 6, 8, Wand mini)*
  • Final dungeon floor combining themes from levels 4 and 5
(* = Things Nabe will eventually get to doing)


Playtesting would also be really cool, especially the Shield and Boomerang minidungeons. Everything (except the final dungeon) is playable through the master QST, which would be preferable to make sure it all coexists properly. The debug room is available through the ship in Speakeasy, and it's located on Map 2 in the top corner if you want to edit it to connect the debug warps to other dungeons.

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Postby CodeGorilla » 1 year ago

Nabe wrote:
  • Level 4 boss
Any thoughts on what is desired for this?

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Postby Nabe » 1 year ago

CodeGorilla wrote:
Nabe wrote:
  • Level 4 boss
Any thoughts on what is desired for this?
I even have sprites! I'll shoot you a PM.
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