JSnake wrote:That isn't what I'm trying to say. What I am trying to say is that whether or not a game is fun to play is the most important aspect and nine times out of ten, game design is what determines that.
Don't deal in absolutes then. It might be a very IMPORTANT aspect, but it certainly doesn't outweigh the rest.
JSnake wrote:Not all RPGs focus too heavily on story and the ones that do are the same RPGs that aren't very good. Final Fantasy games, Paper Mario, most every other critically acclaimed RPGs have well-written stories coupled with engaging gameplay. I'll admit that RPGs are the probably the one genre that most hinges on the the visuals, story etc along with the game design but that doesn't mean you can remove what makes the gameplay good and expect the game to still be worth a rat's ass.
This reminds me of the first thing we learned in my Theory of gaming class, What makes a game a game? I could go through it here if you really want, but it was pretty long.
JSnake wrote:Good reviewers don't just write opinions. The best reviewers are the ones who account for everyone's tastes and try to give an all-encompassing viewpoint. But good reviewers also recognize the aspects of games that are objective and give an objective viewpoint.
Good for them, still doesn't change my opinion, I'll try the game to see how good it is, not listen to someone else talk about it. That sort of takes away from the whole GAME aspect to me, you know? That's why I watch reviewers in the same attitude that I would watch an episode of a show.
JSnake wrote:Luz-chan wrote:Wait WHAT? So what good and bad game design is is SET IN STONE somewhere?
Yeah pretty much.
OBJECTION. Each game has it's own strengths and weaknesses, RPG's all revolve around making numbers BIGGER, FPS's are all point and click adventure games, Platformers are all reaction-time based, etc. You can't say that one game's "design" is better than the other, mostly because you can't compare each game, like Apples to Oranges, they are all fruit, but you can't compare the two, because they are VASTLY different.
JSnake wrote:Luz-chan wrote: Are you saying that only CERTAIN games have the potential to be good, and others can NEVER be good at all? Then why are so many "bad games" being made? Why don't video game designers just follow a winning formula? Oh right, because they are trying to be INTUITIVE and NEW.
You don't get points for trying in this industry.
Little Big Planet, Halo, Metroid Prime, LEGO Star Wars, Rhythm Heaven all have VASTLY different designs to each game, and they were all pretty successful, even, maybe, to this day. Sort of proves you wrong. Maybe?
Um, I'm majoring in Applied Computer Science, Game Design. I've taken a few classes that deal with game design, and not once have I been told that game design is a SET IN STONE, Glass cannon. Have you read all these books? Have each and EVERY ONE of them proven your point to the ground?
JSnake wrote:I am 100% serious. I'm not a game designer but I've read books and Super Metroid adheres to every rule of good game design out there.
I stopped reading at "I'm not a game designer." :l You should have just posted this from the start, sorry.
Again, I'm only playing Devil's Advocate here, and saying that people might not find it to their tastes and label it as a bad game. I'm not saying that the game is bad, far from it, but some people might just say, "This game isn't my thing, I don't think it's that great." Just like how raocow sort of did, or how I would respond to having to play a Mario game.
Also, I find it funny that I'm actually learning about Game Design, and have some knowledge of the subject to back my claims. I don't just read books by some game designer and act all Pseudo-Intellectually about it. I'm not saying that I know EVERYTHING when it comes to video game design, but, just that I HAVE taken classes on the matter, and it's what I'm planning to do in life. Sorry, it just sort of hurts me when people act like my major is more of a joke of a major than anything else. (Learn about it themselves -> Didn't take it seriously -> Luz.feelings = HURT;)
FirePhoenix wrote:Luz, you need to calm down.
Sorry, I just get riled up sometimes, like I said. That and this past week hasn't really been my favorite time of the month. The only reason why I called him a troll was because he sort of was, you know, with the whole psuedo-intellectual attitude he was giving me. I'm really a good person, but when people show contradictions, it just urks me. :(
