Killer7 - 獅子 - "Harman, the world won't change. All it does is turn. Now, let's dance."
Killer7 - 獅子 - "Harman, the world won't change. All it does is turn. Now, let's dance."
Killer7. Kill the past. Jump the age.
This game is. It just fucking is. It makes absolutely no sense, but then it makes perfect sense, what are you talking about? It is in many ways a brilliant masterwork in gaming, while at the same time being the most inaccessible work you'll ever find. To even describe it to people is an exercise in futility. It is maddening in ways that Goichi Suda could never replicate in subsequent games, even though this game put him on the map. If you ever wanted to see weirdness and the uncanny distilled into a video game, this'll last you a decade or two. And yet it is one of the few games I can quote anything on.
It is brutal, it is disturbing. But then a lot of things are.
Enjoy, or don't. It's up to you. No harm done and complete respect in ignoring all this.
In the name of Harman...
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Re: Killer7 - 天使 - "Those bastards are breeding!"
me looking in the opposite direction of the guy in bdsm gear
Why don't you eat me?
I am perfectly tasty...
AND I'LL STEAL YOUR SOUL!
I am perfectly tasty...
AND I'LL STEAL YOUR SOUL!
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when everyone freaks out in the youtube comments is how you know this is gonna be a good series
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Re: Killer7 - 天使 - "Those bastards are breeding!"
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raocow's playing Killer7: the sequel to raocow's playing Half-Life 2. I've never played this game, but boy howdy do I remember hearing about it (mostly non-specific clamour about how weird it is, so I'm looking forward to seeing exactly what that's all about).
You know, it's never really occurred to me how extremely the presence of a cell phone can date a piece of media. Pretty much anything you see a phone that has more buttons than 0-9 (in the case of the past) or home/back (in the case of the future), you can date to the '00s with great confidence.
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raocow's playing Killer7: the sequel to raocow's playing Half-Life 2. I've never played this game, but boy howdy do I remember hearing about it (mostly non-specific clamour about how weird it is, so I'm looking forward to seeing exactly what that's all about).
You know, it's never really occurred to me how extremely the presence of a cell phone can date a piece of media. Pretty much anything you see a phone that has more buttons than 0-9 (in the case of the past) or home/back (in the case of the future), you can date to the '00s with great confidence.
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Re: Killer7 - 天使 - "Those bastards are breeding!"
Unfortunate, but what can you do
(Mainly because I already heard that joke this week)
But yeah, looking forward to this thread. And yes, this game gets super-fucking weird very quickly
Note: I will be on vacation from Friday to next Saturday. I will make updates as best I can, but they will likely be sporadic, especially the first few days.
In the name of Harman...
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Re: Killer7 - 天使 - "Those bastards are breeding!"
this game is one of the prime examples of how art direction is far more important than graphical fidelity
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I believe Iwazaru is in the Harman's room and he has a more detailed tutorial for you, should you decide you need it. You may need it. You may not!
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Don't watch the whole video but go ahead and watch the first Iwazaru scene. I just want everyone to know what the mumbly voice acting sounds like in Japanese, It's real good.
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the man behind the slaughter
Why don't you eat me?
I am perfectly tasty...
AND I'LL STEAL YOUR SOUL!
I am perfectly tasty...
AND I'LL STEAL YOUR SOUL!
Re: Killer7 - 天使 - "You think I'm a pain in the ass, don't you?"
So much trouble...unfortunate.
I think one thing the game makes very clear is that you should always aim for the Smiles' weak spots. First reason, they're one-hit KOs, so you don't have to waste time reloading (as you probably figured out by now, you have unlimited ammo). The other reason is that's where you can get the most blood. It'll take a bit to get the hang of shooting with an analog stick, but I know you can do it!
A thing to note about the map: It will not tell you exact location, but it will tell you which room you're in (marked in yellow).
In the name of Harman...
I think one thing the game makes very clear is that you should always aim for the Smiles' weak spots. First reason, they're one-hit KOs, so you don't have to waste time reloading (as you probably figured out by now, you have unlimited ammo). The other reason is that's where you can get the most blood. It'll take a bit to get the hang of shooting with an analog stick, but I know you can do it!
A thing to note about the map: It will not tell you exact location, but it will tell you which room you're in (marked in yellow).
In the name of Harman...
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I'm not sure the game ever tells you the exact mechanics of blood unless you ask Iwazaru in Harman's room but it's Ridiculously important so here's a quick summary.
-There's two kinds of blood, Thick and Thin
-Thin is used for healing and for charge shots
-Thick is used to make Serum which Upgrades your characters.
-Serum and upgrades reset after each level, so don't bother saving
-There's a limit to the amount of Serum you can make in a level so grinding will only get you so far
-The True Mask takes Thick Blood in exchange for more straight hints and verbal abuse
-The best way to get blood of both types is to hit weak spots
-There's two kinds of blood, Thick and Thin
-Thin is used for healing and for charge shots
-Thick is used to make Serum which Upgrades your characters.
-Serum and upgrades reset after each level, so don't bother saving
-There's a limit to the amount of Serum you can make in a level so grinding will only get you so far
-The True Mask takes Thick Blood in exchange for more straight hints and verbal abuse
-The best way to get blood of both types is to hit weak spots
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Re: Killer7 - 天使 - "You think I'm a pain in the ass, don't you?"
raocow seems to have controls inverted from what he wants and also stick sensitivity is set too high, which doesn't help at aiming for weak spots
a lot of killer 7's design weirdness comes from how it's a combination of two things:
a). an on-rails gallery shooter like time crisis
b). a dungeon crawler
How do you combine "move forward linearly along rails and stop to shoot enemies when they pop up" with "explore a non-linear environment to find puzzles, keys, enemy encounters"?
For starters, when you're in a room/corridor, you are essentially moving along a linear rail. But you might want to stop, and/or turn around and go back the way you came, because you missed a room or need to return for a puzzle or whatever. So the player needs control over moving forwards, unlike an actual strict rail shooter, and the ability to turn around... hence the "go forward on rails" and "reverse course" buttons.
Controlling lockon with the dpad is also weird, but makes sense in its own weird way once you familiarize yourself-left stick is manual aiming, dpad lockon, so both forms of aiming are controlled with your left thumb.
other stuff is just weird either to put the player less at ease, or just suda51 being suda51.
I honestly think if "aim gun" was L and "shoot gun" was R, it would immediately make the game like twice as approachable
a lot of killer 7's design weirdness comes from how it's a combination of two things:
a). an on-rails gallery shooter like time crisis
b). a dungeon crawler
How do you combine "move forward linearly along rails and stop to shoot enemies when they pop up" with "explore a non-linear environment to find puzzles, keys, enemy encounters"?
For starters, when you're in a room/corridor, you are essentially moving along a linear rail. But you might want to stop, and/or turn around and go back the way you came, because you missed a room or need to return for a puzzle or whatever. So the player needs control over moving forwards, unlike an actual strict rail shooter, and the ability to turn around... hence the "go forward on rails" and "reverse course" buttons.
Controlling lockon with the dpad is also weird, but makes sense in its own weird way once you familiarize yourself-left stick is manual aiming, dpad lockon, so both forms of aiming are controlled with your left thumb.
other stuff is just weird either to put the player less at ease, or just suda51 being suda51.
I honestly think if "aim gun" was L and "shoot gun" was R, it would immediately make the game like twice as approachable
Re: Killer7 - 天使 - "Well, hello, Smith ( ´-`)ノ"
A manual, for your troubles. It will tell you which Smiths have which abilities.
Shame Leet ain't around to see this LP. Ah well.
In the name of Harman...
Shame Leet ain't around to see this LP. Ah well.
In the name of Harman...
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i was trying not to mention her but im pretty sure she'd end up starting drama
oh this is art.Peptobislawl wrote: ↑2 years ago Don't watch the whole video but go ahead and watch the first Iwazaru scene. I just want everyone to know what the mumbly voice acting sounds like in Japanese, It's real good.
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wow i cant believe con from asmt a super mario thing is in this game!
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a super second asm mario t thing: demo's journey
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Re: Killer7 - 天使 - "The Smith syndicate is composed of one sensible person and six freaks."
I don't remember what each of the unlockable abilities is but I'm pretty sure "down attack" lets you instakill enemies lying/crawling on the ground
Re: Killer7 - 天使 - "You're awake from your dream."
Because this track is so rad, we must have it here:
Congrats on clearing the prologue. It only gets weirder from here.
Regarding Harman's outfit, it definitely has some religious vibes. Many, thanks to that infamous theory doc from GameFAQs, compare Harman's dress to that of male Haredi/Chasidic Jews. This would be incorrect, though: Male Haredim attire is more or less a black suit with a white shirt and black tie, along with a black hat that's typically either a fedora or Homburg hat. Harman's dress does not resemble that at all. His suit resembles a cassock, perhaps in the style of Jesuit priests. His hat is particularly unique, though: It looks like a galero, the hat typically worn by clergy in the Catholic Church. Given that the galero is black, it would indicate a rank of priest within the order of the Church. However, priests tend not to wear any sort of headwear in modern times, and a black galero tends to only appear in heraldic coat-of-arms for priests. On top of that, Harman's hat lacks tasselated strings hanging from the crown of the hat, a feature of any galero. (Though...thinking about it, a black galero would share some similarities to a Haredi wearing a black hat and having hair tassels, so make of that what you will)
In the name of Harman...
Congrats on clearing the prologue. It only gets weirder from here.
Regarding Harman's outfit, it definitely has some religious vibes. Many, thanks to that infamous theory doc from GameFAQs, compare Harman's dress to that of male Haredi/Chasidic Jews. This would be incorrect, though: Male Haredim attire is more or less a black suit with a white shirt and black tie, along with a black hat that's typically either a fedora or Homburg hat. Harman's dress does not resemble that at all. His suit resembles a cassock, perhaps in the style of Jesuit priests. His hat is particularly unique, though: It looks like a galero, the hat typically worn by clergy in the Catholic Church. Given that the galero is black, it would indicate a rank of priest within the order of the Church. However, priests tend not to wear any sort of headwear in modern times, and a black galero tends to only appear in heraldic coat-of-arms for priests. On top of that, Harman's hat lacks tasselated strings hanging from the crown of the hat, a feature of any galero. (Though...thinking about it, a black galero would share some similarities to a Haredi wearing a black hat and having hair tassels, so make of that what you will)
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Worth noting, also: "Rave On" only plays in those short hallways. It is a 4 minute long song.
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Fair warning about MASK. Not only does he have to reload after every shot, he also gets Low to No blood from each kill. There are spoiler reasons that you might want to use him later though.
Another important note, most late game Smiles, which you just got a preview of there with Speed Smile, only die from weak point hits.
Another important note, most late game Smiles, which you just got a preview of there with Speed Smile, only die from weak point hits.
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Re: Killer7 - 天使 - "You're awake from your dream."
this level is very prone to causing backtracking.
there's that room you can jump up in, which you can do immediately with coyote... the game just doesn't really tell you how. then there's a nest up ahead but you don't have dan awake-that's another weird thing the game does not explain. oh well!
Re: Killer7 - 落日 - "There's some nasty shit cooking in this restaurant. And it ain't momma's fried chicken."
I think raocow knows how...it's just
And now you enter the wormhole. Or the Garden of Madness.
The politics gets weird. If I had to speculate what Suda51 was going on about, it's his own criticism about the Japanese political system. The details of that speculation, though, I'll hold off until the end of Sunset to discuss.
it's possible he didn't have enough blood to pull the move. What, with the constant heals and all that
.And now you enter the wormhole. Or the Garden of Madness.
The politics gets weird. If I had to speculate what Suda51 was going on about, it's his own criticism about the Japanese political system. The details of that speculation, though, I'll hold off until the end of Sunset to discuss.
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Re: Killer7 - 落日 - "There's some nasty shit cooking in this restaurant. And it ain't momma's fried chicken."
Hold on, the phone is a network, I thought they got rid of those.
Anyway, killing off air flight and the internet isn't just representative of the draconian measures the UN took against terrorism, but also it makes the plots of Suda's last two games not possible. Flower Sun and Rain had airplanes as a focal point, and The Silver Case had the internet as a focal point.
Anyway, killing off air flight and the internet isn't just representative of the draconian measures the UN took against terrorism, but also it makes the plots of Suda's last two games not possible. Flower Sun and Rain had airplanes as a focal point, and The Silver Case had the internet as a focal point.
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