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Re: La-Mulana 2 - ever downwarder, that's me

Posted: 04 Nov 2020, 23:37
by Voltgloss
Draexzhan wrote: ↑2 years ago Question for the vets, because I can't quite remember:
What are the flags for Alsedana dying? I seem to remember it having happened to me by this point in the game.
My understanding is that it's another global score flag - i.e., once you've progressed "enough" in the game (taking into account all measures of progress), the event triggers.

Re: La-Mulana 2 - ever downwarder, that's me

Posted: 05 Nov 2020, 00:01
by repairmanman
Spoiler question not for raocows
seriously don't look
why is hell temple the final area of the game again? There was even the nine soul gate to there, so it must of been planned. I was fairly certain that the failed philosopher built it though, and wasn't at all related to eg lana

Re: La-Mulana 2 - ever downwarder, that's me

Posted: 05 Nov 2020, 02:26
by Voltgloss
repairmanman wrote: ↑2 years ago Spoiler question not for raocows
seriously don't look
why is hell temple the final area of the game again? There was even the nine soul gate to there, so it must of been planned. I was fairly certain that the failed philosopher built it though, and wasn't at all related to eg lana
I don't recall there being a justification or rationale given in-game. Presumably one copied the other, but which copied which, and when? Hard to say. Frankly, I think the real answer to your question is "to provoke a visceral reaction in the player."

Re: La-Mulana 2 - ever downwarder, that's me

Posted: 05 Nov 2020, 02:51
by Donut
repairmanman wrote: ↑2 years ago Spoiler question not for raocows
seriously don't look
why is hell temple the final area of the game again? There was even the nine soul gate to there, so it must of been planned. I was fairly certain that the failed philosopher built it though, and wasn't at all related to eg lana
No explicit reason is ever given, but I think there are two, equally fun possibities:

1. Spiral Hell is a near identical copy to Hell Temple, and Hell Temple had a backside this entire time. This is less likely, but was my first impression when I got there. It's fun to think about at least because it'd answer the riddle for why Hell Temple was the sole area that didn't conform to La-Mulana's construction rules.

2. Note that this isn't my theory, but something I read elsewhere: Hell Temple was always in Eg-Lana, and the ridiculously convoluted method to get there was because it was a secret entrance between La-Mulana and Eg-Lana unknown to all but a very small number.

Re: La-Mulana 2 - ever downwarder, that's me

Posted: 05 Nov 2020, 04:17
by AweStriker
The big ask right now is that

raocow realizes the gates are scannable

.

Re: La-Mulana 2 - ever downwarder, that's me

Posted: 05 Nov 2020, 05:13
by Crow
AweStriker wrote: ↑2 years ago The big ask right now is that

raocow realizes the gates are scannable

.

he's blindly scanned basically everything else in the game it's so HHNNMNGNF that he's decided to not do it for this one thing

Re: La-Mulana 2 - ever downwarder, that's me

Posted: 05 Nov 2020, 16:25
by Bluster Kerfuffle

also the fact that he decided to speak to every npc like five times but NOT the ones in the underworld apparently

Re: La-Mulana 2 - get an extra weight to put in your sorrow hole

Posted: 05 Nov 2020, 23:31
by Alice
Welcome to quite possibly the most infuriating field to navigate in the entire game. Especially that part where you transfer from Doom to Gloom. Navigating upwards there is a complete and utter nightmare since everything is setup to screw you over and drop you all the way back down to the bottom, if not in the poison lava pool.

Re: La-Mulana 2 - get an extra weight to put in your sorrow hole

Posted: 05 Nov 2020, 23:32
by Zummorr
Oh man we finally see Voltgloss Giltoriyo again.

He's been outside so long that he got a nice tan.
Image

Re: La-Mulana 2 - get an extra weight to put in your sorrow hole

Posted: 05 Nov 2020, 23:33
by Grounder
the return of crocodibli

Re: La-Mulana 2 - get an extra weight to put in your sorrow hole

Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 00:43
by Draexzhan
Wow speak of the devil...

I like the usage of Himinn

Re: La-Mulana 2 - get an extra weight to put in your sorrow hole

Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 07:13
by TiKi
I assume the LM1 Wiiware/LM2 graphics aren't drawn by Nigoro? It's rare to see a programmer with that level of artistic aptitude

Re: La-Mulana 2 - get an extra weight to put in your sorrow hole

Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 07:41
by FourteenthOrder
Man, Alsedana has said he was dying a few times but his death just really hit me in such a weird way.

Just like, that unexpected message gave me a similar (albeit significantly lesser) feeling of shock and emptiness that real sudden deaths of people in my life do. And I'm not even the one playing, I wonder if it would have hit me even harder if I was.

Re: La-Mulana 2 - get an extra weight to put in your sorrow hole

Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 07:53
by PSI Ninja
FourteenthOrder wrote: ↑2 years ago Man, Alsedana has said he was dying a few times but his death just really hit me in such a weird way.

Just like, that unexpected message gave me a similar (albeit significantly lesser) feeling of shock and emptiness that real sudden deaths of people in my life do. And I'm not even the one playing, I wonder if it would have hit me even harder if I was.
I totally agree. Alsedana's death is so uncharacteristically poignant for this game, so yeah, it hit me on my own playthrough. Lumisa removing her hat at the funeral was a nice touch, along with other things like the ritual dance and Mulbruk quietly mourning - the developers handled this well.

Regarding the Eternal Prison, I went there early, as soon as I got the requisite mantras. Needless to say, I couldn't really do much. I didn't even have the Clay Doll outfit yet, so that was fun. Pretty annoying without the use of the Grail, especially with all the instadeath traps and tricky enemies that can knock you into spikes and lava.

Re: La-Mulana 2 - get an extra weight to put in your sorrow hole

Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 10:33
by Tenlade
La mulana2 OST: Wise man who died


The fact its not some big kinda dramatic final speech at his deathbed,and you're just well, basically getting the text that the old relative in the hospital finally passed away and man that hits a bit close to home.

I do like they keep it serious and Lumisa takes her hat off and offers a moment of silence before letting the player goof off again (if you try heading to the funeral in the clay doll suit, she'll take the helmet off)

Re: La-Mulana 2 - get an extra weight to put in your sorrow hole

Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 16:13
by raocow
I keep having hour long sessions because I just can't stop playing

Re: La-Mulana 2 - get an extra weight to put in your sorrow hole

Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 17:44
by FPzero
TiKi wrote: ↑2 years ago I assume the LM1 Wiiware/LM2 graphics aren't drawn by Nigoro? It's rare to see a programmer with that level of artistic aptitude
I think they are. Nigoro is actually like 2 or 3 people, so maybe it wasn't the main programmer making all the assets, but otherwise I'm pretty sure they did all their work in-house with just the small team and then Playism on the side doing localization support. Even the freeware version of La-Mulana 1 had an instruction manual with lots of art in it that matches the style used throughout LM1 remake and LM2, and that was definitely all drawn by their small team.

Re: La-Mulana 2 - this is capitalism hitting you in the face

Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 22:56
by Alice
Only raocow would manage to activate the Alsedana funeral event with exactly 444 gold, lol.

Re: La-Mulana 2 - this is capitalism hitting you in the face

Posted: 06 Nov 2020, 23:24
by Crow
gotta say excellent work on solving the hard puzzle literally the last possible moment before it became relevant :lol:

hell is hell!

Re: La-Mulana 2 - this is capitalism hitting you in the face

Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 02:08
by FPzero
I didn't know the pig woman discounts the price of the music app after buying the harp!! I bought it for full price before buying the harp :reimuko:

Re: La-Mulana 2 - this is capitalism hitting you in the face

Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 03:01
by Filbi
Can someone post the text of the Crystal Skulls raocow has found so far?

Re: La-Mulana 2 - this is capitalism hitting you in the face

Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 03:17
by thatguyif
Alice wrote: ↑2 years ago Only raocow would manage to activate the Alsedana funeral event with exactly 444 gold, lol.
I don't understand the significance.

Also:
How many videos before he realizes he can't actually do the thing in Eternal Prison because he's here way too early? Five? Ten? I get the sense he's entering "A Raving Loon running headfirst into a brick wall for six months thinking it will break" territory

Re: La-Mulana 2 - this is capitalism hitting you in the face

Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 05:44
by Crow
thatguyif wrote: ↑2 years ago
Alice wrote: ↑2 years ago Only raocow would manage to activate the Alsedana funeral event with exactly 444 gold, lol.
I don't understand the significance.
4 is the japanese number for death

Re: La-Mulana 2 - this is capitalism hitting you in the face

Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 06:42
by Voltgloss
FPzero wrote: ↑2 years ago I didn't know the pig woman discounts the price of the music app after buying the harp!! I bought it for full price before buying the harp :reimuko:
Specifically, you have to buy the Harp and then go talk to Orpheus with it. This is the flag that triggers the pig shopkeeper discounting the music app price from 1500 down to 50.

thatguyif wrote:
How many videos before he realizes he can't actually do the thing in Eternal Prison because he's here way too early? Five? Ten? I get the sense he's entering "A Raving Loon running headfirst into a brick wall for six months thinking it will break" territory
I'm not sure exactly which "thing in Eternal Prison" you're referencing, or why you're suggesting his visit his "way too early." He's pretty much exploring here precisely when he needs to be, in my view. Sure, he can't do everything here yet, but there's a lot he CAN do and also very important clues to be gathered.

Re: La-Mulana 2 - this is capitalism hitting you in the face

Posted: 07 Nov 2020, 06:47
by Voltgloss
Filby wrote: ↑2 years ago Can someone post the text of the Crystal Skulls raocow has found so far?
I've added them to the end of the second post in the thread.
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