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Re: YUMP2 - Neo Land

Postby ft029 » 2 months ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgi0hiCiYi4 the reference.

I also thought this level was fine; I also had a lot of trouble figuring out the pokey part.

At the end, you're supposed to throw the shell; pick up the P-switch and bounce off the shell; while going upwards, release the P-switch on to the munchers; land on the P-switch. It sounds like a lot but is just a sort of motion to kaizo players I think.
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Re: YUMP2 - Neo Land

Postby The Doctor » 2 months ago

I think the Pokey jump would have stumped me, but I was spoiled on that segment from dode's stream. I guess I'll never know. With the shell there and shell jumps being so ubiquitous in Kazio hacks, yeah, you're going to want to do a shell jump.

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Re: YUMP2 - Neo Land

Postby AUS » 2 months ago

THAT WAS MESMERIZING
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Re: YUMP2 - Neo Land

Postby Ivy » 2 months ago

AUS wrote: yo that was hella fun to watch

ALSO raocow PERFORMED A YUMP TO BEAT A LEVEL IN A YUMP GAME

IT HAS FINALLY HAPPENED

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He did do a proper YUMP in VIP6, at least
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Re: YUMP2 - The Last Judgement

Postby LunarRainbowShyGuy » 2 months ago

Level name is accurate.

I'm surprised raocow knew about the green springy things wrapping around the edge of the screen but seemed shocked to find that they don't exist while off screen. Moving on to later in that section, I like how raocow did the same thing I did, where he got hit during the descending part and then just waited for his mushroom to catch up to him.

Also, it looks like raocow is a lot better at dealing with hammer bros. than I am. I had a lot of trouble getting past them unscathed, meanwhile raocow seems to have got through that entire last section with relatively little difficulty, and in the footage shown the hammer bros. only hit him once.

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Re: YUMP2 - The Last Judgement

Postby Sancles » 2 months ago

lovel suckse

However it is very funny and the boss makes me lose it every single time because of how anticlimactic it is.

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Re: YUMP2 - The Last Judgement

Postby KobaBeach » 2 months ago

god this stage

as someone with above-average knowledge of the japanese mario world hacking scene as it evolved from ~2001-2015, this stage is a delight. its level design quality is arguable (and subjective), but as a stage designed to be a haimari and hyper mari world pastiche and thus, to focus on inconveniencing the player to the point of reaching their breaking point, it is simply sublime

peter popoff strikes again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

this reminds me i should study haimari's level design among others to get some pointers on the kind of level design i want to make in smoo (not as severe as hyper 6 though)

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Re: YUMP2 - The Last Judgement

Postby gbreeze » 2 months ago

Peter Popoff (or the secret author behind the name) is spectacularly versatile at level design. This author has made very ASM-focused levels and great vanilla levels, is able to make both super modern, fast paced kaizo levels and classic, old school japanese levels to a T, and of course makes some of the most complex puzzles I've seen. I would never be able to pick my favorite contributor, as there's so many good designers, but Peter Popoff has got to be the most versatile hacker right now (in my opinion).

I quite like this level, it nails the haimari style while also being quite a bit more fair than an actual haimari level. This style was once thought to be outdated (as kaizo has become more popular in the realm of hard hacks), but Hyper 6 has become absurdly popular in the last couple years (possibly being the most-streamed non-kaizo hack on twitch). There was a contest hosted recently pretty much directly inspired by Hypers, and I recently played another level that was a reimagining of an infamous Hyper 6 level. Will we see a sudden resurgence of haimari-inspired work now? Only time will tell.

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Re: YUMP2 - The Last Judgement

Postby KobaBeach » 2 months ago

gbreeze wrote: I quite like this level, it nails the haimari style while also being quite a bit more fair than an actual haimari level. This style was once thought to be outdated (as kaizo has become more popular in the realm of hard hacks), but Hyper 6 has become absurdly popular in the last couple years (possibly being the most-streamed non-kaizo hack on twitch). There was a contest hosted recently pretty much directly inspired by Hypers, and I recently played another level that was a reimagining of an infamous Hyper 6 level. Will we see a sudden resurgence of haimari-inspired work now? Only time will tell.
repeating what I said in SMWC Discord and just saying that if Hyper style level design sees a surge in popularity amongst western hackers im down like a clown

really happy that a Japanese hack is getting showered in attention these days, wish vip or aspe got the same treatment but their challenge isn't as severe as the hyper games, so i guess they just don't appeal as much for the kaizo thrill seekers.

i'll have to check out that contest too. i adore most Japanese schools of level design, even SIG (Sui is a bit repetitive, too SMB1-ish), it's up there with the less Nintendo-esque SMWCentral schools of level design in my eyes. specifically a lot of the JUMP series authors and the usually high ranking folks in the contests such as PokerFace.

I guess some people would call it "the JUMP style" but that's kind of tenuous at best, most think of idol or morsel's style of level design when they mean that and they're not really emblematic of every single style, their styles are completely different.

really curious to see who Peter Popoff is

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Re: YUMP2 - The Last Judgement

Postby idol » 2 months ago

funny thinking the same person who made this stage made casino of roulettes 2

i feel like the two levels couldn't be further apart and thats yump

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Re: YUMP2 - The Last Judgement

Postby Skye » 2 months ago

KobaBeach wrote:
gbreeze wrote: I quite like this level, it nails the haimari style while also being quite a bit more fair than an actual haimari level. This style was once thought to be outdated (as kaizo has become more popular in the realm of hard hacks), but Hyper 6 has become absurdly popular in the last couple years (possibly being the most-streamed non-kaizo hack on twitch). There was a contest hosted recently pretty much directly inspired by Hypers, and I recently played another level that was a reimagining of an infamous Hyper 6 level. Will we see a sudden resurgence of haimari-inspired work now? Only time will tell.
repeating what I said in SMWC Discord and just saying that if Hyper style level design sees a surge in popularity amongst western hackers im down like a clown

really happy that a Japanese hack is getting showered in attention these days, wish vip or aspe got the same treatment but their challenge isn't as severe as the hyper games, so i guess they just don't appeal as much for the kaizo thrill seekers.

i'll have to check out that contest too. i adore most Japanese schools of level design, even SIG (Sui is a bit repetitive, too SMB1-ish), it's up there with the less Nintendo-esque SMWCentral schools of level design in my eyes. specifically a lot of the JUMP series authors and the usually high ranking folks in the contests such as PokerFace.

I guess some people would call it "the JUMP style" but that's kind of tenuous at best, most think of idol or morsel's style of level design when they mean that and they're not really emblematic of every single style, their styles are completely different.

really curious to see who Peter Popoff is
SIG and SUI's styles are both too vanilla and repetitive to be interesting, in my opinion.
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Re: YUMP2 - Blast Hornet

Postby Sancles » 2 months ago

bowser world as a whole just kinda slaps tbh
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Re: YUMP2 - Blast Hornet

Postby idol » 2 months ago

id like to proudly announce that i named this level for the author. and i stand by it

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Re: YUMP2 - Stage Theme 1

Postby xfix » 2 months ago

Now that we entering Bowser's Castle, figured I would make a list of all non-postgame levels with the pseudonyms:

https://gist.github.com/xfix/488893b14f ... 3b54832d6a

Feel free to guess who is who, I suppose.

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Re: YUMP2 - Stage Theme 1

Postby LunarRainbowShyGuy » 2 months ago

This is an interesting level, but I'm not a big fan of how the concept is executed here. I've played a few of these achievement gathering games before, and I always enjoy exploring and trying to figure out what to do based on an achievement name, and that's no different here. What is different here is that you can lock yourself out of some achievements if you do things wrong, potentially even making things unwinnable, as seen in the video.

I did get enough points on my first try, but as soon as I realized how things could go wrong I started playing like a coward, extremely hesitant to do anything of permanence fearing that it would make some achievements unachievable (although I think by the time I noticed it was already too late to get everything). At least there's much more than the required 300 points available. Despite my complaints I did still enjoy this level, and I'm sure this is just a personal preference thing and there are people who don't mind it this way, but I feel like I would have enjoyed it more if I could try things out without having to worry about screwing things up. (Also, I don't know what's with the 1-up checkpoints, but I couldn't get any beyond the first to work either.)

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Re: YUMP2 - Stage Theme 1

Postby Ryrir » 2 months ago

LunarRainbowShyGuy wrote: I don't know what's with the 1-up checkpoints, but I couldn't get any beyond the first to work either.
The way 1-up checkpoints work in SMW is that you have to touch them in the correct order. raocow's problem (and maybe yours as well?) was that he touched 1 and then touched 3 before touching 2 which doesn't work. As soon as he touched 3 the counter resets and you need to start over again by touching 1.
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Re: YUMP2 - Stage Theme 1

Postby Ashan » 2 months ago

I'd guess the afk achievement is just not touching anything for a few seconds?
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Re: YUMP2 - Stage Theme 1

Postby xfix » 2 months ago

List of achievements if anyone was curious (provided by level author who asked me to post those to avoid revealing who Peter Popoff is).

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ac1:
	db "ALL GROWN UP         5GP"
	db "BECOME SUPER MARIO      "
	db "                        "
ac2:
	db "PLAYING WITH FIRE    5GP"
	db "BECOME FIRE MARIO       "
	db "                        "
ac3:
	db "TAKING FLIGHT        5GP"
	db "BECOME CAPED MARIO      "
	db "                        "
ac4:
	db "THE INVINCIBLE      10GP"
	db "COLLECT A STAR          "
	db "                        "
ac5:
	db "3-UP                10GP"
	db "COLLECT A MOON          "
	db "                        "
ac6:
	db "RICH                 5GP"
	db "COLLECT 10 COINS        "
	db "                        "
ac7:
	db "RICHER              10GP"
	db "COLLECT 50 COINS        "
	db "                        "
ac8:
	db "RICHEST             30GP"
	db "COLLECT 99 COINS        "
	db "                        "
ac9:
	db "NO RESERVATIONS      5GP"
	db "ATTEMPT TO DROP YOUR    "
	db "RESERVE ITEM            "
ac10:
	db "MILITARY ESCORT     20GP"
	db "GUIDE A BULLET ACROSS   "
	db "THE ENTIRE STAGE        "
ac11:
	db "STAR-STRUCK         20GP"
	db "GET A 1-UP BY KILLING 8 "
	db "SPRITES WITH A STAR     "
ac12:
	db "STRIKE!             30GP"
	db "KILL 4 SPRITES IN A ROW "
	db "WITH A THROW BLOCK      "
ac13:
	db "CHECKPOINT 1        10GP"
	db "ACTIVATE THE FIRST      "
	db "HIDDEN 1-UP CHECKPOINT  "
ac14:
	db "CHECKPOINT 2        10GP"
	db "ACTIVATE THE FIRST 2    "
	db "HIDDEN 1-UP CHECKPOINTS "
ac15:
	db "CHECKPOINT 3        10GP"
	db "ACTIVATE THE FIRST 3    "
	db "HIDDEN 1-UP CHECKPOINTS "
ac16:
	db "CHECKPOINT 4        30GP"
	db "ACTIVATE ALL 4 HIDDEN   "
	db "1-UP CHECKPOINTS        "
ac17:
	db "OUCH!                5GP"
	db "GET HURT                "
	db "                        "
ac18:
	db "THE COLLECTOR 1      5GP"
	db "COLLECT 1 DRAGON COIN   "
	db "                        "
ac19:
	db "THE COLLECTOR 2      5GP"
	db "COLLECT 2 DRAGON COINS  "
	db "                        "
ac20:
	db "THE COLLECTOR 3      5GP"
	db "COLLECT 3 DRAGON COINS  "
	db "                        "
ac21:
	db "THE COLLECTOR 4      5GP"
	db "COLLECT 4 DRAGON COINS  "
	db "                        "
ac22:
	db "THE COLLECTOR 5     20GP"
	db "COLLECT 5 DRAGON COINS  "
	db "                        "
ac23:
	db "DEXTRAL              5GP"
	db "REACH THE RIGHTMOST     "
	db "SCREEN                  "
ac24:
	db "SINISTRAL            5GP"
	db "REACH THE LEFTMOST      "
	db "SCREEN                  "
ac25:
	db "AFK                 10GP"
	db "DON'T PRESS ANY BUTTONS "
	db "FOR 30 SECONDS          "
ac26:
	db "FEELING DIZZY       20GP"
	db "DON'T STOP SPINNING FOR "
	db "10 SECONDS              "
ac27:
	db "SPEED DEMON         30GP"
	db "KEEP P-SPEED FOR 10     "
	db "SECONDS                 "
ac28:
	db "HYDROLYSIS          10GP"
	db "STAY IN WATER FOR 10    "
	db "SECONDS                 "
ac29:
	db "LOOKING AHEAD        5GP"
	db "SCROLL THE SCREEN WITH  "
	db "L OR R                  "
ac30:
	db "DISCO DANCE PARTY   10GP"
	db "CREATE A DISCO SHELL    "
	db "                        "
ac31:
	db "OVERLOADED          20GP"
	db "HAVE 8 SPRITES LOADED AT"
	db "ONCE                    "
ac32:
	db "GLUTTON             10GP"
	db "GROW BABY YOSHI INTO AN "
	db "ADULT                   "
ac33:
	db "VITAMIN RICH        30GP"
	db "HAVE ADULT YOSHI EAT 5  "
	db "RED BERRIES             "
ac34:
	db "BETRAYAL            10GP"
	db "THROW ADULT YOSHI DOWN A"
	db "PIT                     "
ac35:
	db "SILVER LINING       10GP"
	db "RIDE A CLOUD            "
	db "                        "
ac36:
	db "MASTER PLUMBER      20GP"
	db "TRAVEL THROUGH ALL THE  "
	db "SCREEN SCROLLING PIPES  "
ac37:
	db "YUMP                40GP"
	db "JUMP OFF A P-SWITCH     "
	db "                        "
ac38:
	db "SEISMIC ACTIVITY    10GP"
	db "CAPE SMASH THE GROUND   "
	db "                        "
ac39:
	db "SWITCH IT UP         5GP"
	db "HIT AN ON/OFF SWITCH    "
	db "                        "
ac40:
	db "BEHIND THE SCENES    5GP"
	db "GO BEHIND THE SCENERY   "
	db "WITH A NET              "
ac41:
	db "EXTRA CRISPY         5GP"
	db "DROP A SPRITE INTO LAVA "
	db "                        "
ac42:
	db "JUST AHEAD          20GP"
	db "CREATE A POKEY THAT IS  "
	db "JUST A HEAD             "
ac43:
	db "THE IMPOSSIBLE      50GP"
	db "HOW DID YOU GET HERE?   "
	db "                        "
ac44:
	db "EXPIRED             20GP"
	db "LET A THROW BLOCK       "
	db "DISAPPEAR               "
ac45:
	db "FOUR COURSE MEAL    30GP"
	db "HAVE YOSHI EAT EACH     "
	db "COLOR OF SHELLESS KOOPA "
ac46:
	db "GONE FISHING        30GP"
	db "CREATE A FLOPPING FISH  "
	db "                        "
ac47:
	db "PEST CONTROL         5GP"
	db "KILL THE MOLE           "
	db "                        "
ac48:
	db "GUARDIAN ANGEL       5GP"
	db "SAVE THE MOLE           "
	db "                        "
ac49:
	db "THE ACHIEVER        20GP"
	db "ACCUMULATE 200 GP       "
	db "                        "
ac50:
	db "THE COMPLETIONIST  100GP"
	db "UNLOCK ALL POSSIBLE     "
	db "ACHIEVEMENTS            "
Because the list doesn't really explain THE IMPOSSIBLE, that one I believe involves

getting into a box that can be seen at 15:50 in raocow's video - one way to do so would be to use springboard glitch

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Re: YUMP2 - Neo Land

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Re: YUMP2 - Stage Theme 1

Postby gbreeze » 2 months ago

I made an extremely lazy TAS to see how fast one could get 300 GP. Didn't spend much time routing and it's obviously unoptimized, so there is probably a faster route, but it's a start at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t_YuiP4KtI

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Re: YUMP2 - Stage Theme 1

Postby ft029 » 2 months ago

gbreeze that video is great.

I loved trying to figure out a good route for this level. Some of the achievement names were worth a laugh as well.
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Re: YUMP2 - Bowser's Castle

Postby Sancles » 2 months ago

this is the best multiperson level in any of the JUMPteam hacks honestly, I feel like sticking to a sort of theme actually does a lot for making it feel so good

also the music ofc
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Re: YUMP2 - Bowser's Castle

Postby Ashan » 2 months ago

I bet if you just went right first you would have had zero issues with the left because the stacking thing is much more obvious over there

Though I'm still surprised you saw a sumo bro attached to a diaper rock attached to a disco attached to a key that falls in unison and crumbles apart when you pull out the bottom and didn't think that was odd at all
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Re: YUMP2 - Bowser's Castle

Postby raocow » 2 months ago

I mean I thought it was very odd indeed for what it's worth
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