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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Mushroom Kingdom Meltdown

Postby LunarRainbowShyGuy » 5 months ago

Sebby19 wrote: Actually the Virus's are pretty tough, individually. It's just that raocow has pumped the bros. up with steroids because he thinks its 'funny'
Personally, I also think it's kind of funny, but of course humour is subjective. Humour aside though, it seems to be working out pretty well for raocow. Also, it's not like he's only been upgrading POW; he's been upgrading other stats when he feels that they're starting to get too low. So far he's put 21 out of 36 level up bonuses (about 58%) into POW.

It may be the case that the developers balanced the enemies assuming the player wouldn't have so much POW, but I think the fact that you can be so powerful makes this level up system pretty great; I like that you can make the bros. into glass cannons, or beefy walls, or anything else you could want. Speaking of this game's level up system, here's raocow's bonus stat allocations.
The first number is the total increase, the first set of brackets show level up bonuses, and the second set of brackets show bonuses from drinks.
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HP +7 (+3) (+4)
BP +3 (+2 +1)
POW +20 (+2 +1 +1 +1 +3 +2 +2 +4 +1 +3)
DEF +4 (+2 +2)
SPEED +3 (+3)
STACHE +4 (+2 +2)

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HP +0
BP +4 (+2 +2)
POW +21 (+1 +3 +1 +1 +4 +3 +1 +2 +2 +1 +2)
DEF +6 (+2 +4)
SPEED +7 (+4 +3)
STACHE +5 (+1) (+4)

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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Mushroom Kingdom Meltdown

Postby ano0maly » 5 months ago

I've been thinking that maybe when he enters a new area with tough enemies (like when he stumbled into that coastal spot the other day), it's a good time to bring in Bros. Moves. It's a good time to get more practice using them, and gives more rationale to invest in BP more, which is a bit low right now.

Also Advanced Moves.



I was thinking that it might make you defeat new monsters too quickly without seeing what they do (just like a high POW would), but you see the given types of enemies several times when in an area, so you would probably fight them enough to see what behaviors they have.
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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Mushroom Kingdom Meltdown

Postby Shard1697 » 5 months ago

High POW is not only funny, it's also actually smart in this game.
Nuking everything as fast as possible is a really good way to win battles easily.

I really don't like rally or random blocks. They feel tedious to use, they last so long and you don't really actually get that many coins out of them. That goes for other coin blocks too, it's just less obvious because they don't take as long. I usually stop bothering with all them partway through the game since you get a lot more money from battles in a more entertaining way.

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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Mushroom Kingdom Meltdown

Postby Mea » 5 months ago

Over-ing the POW is probably not a bad choice either for the meta reasons of keeping encounters short enough to keep in the video and not slow the pacing as much as possible. Though I understand that the flip-side of this is not being able to see the enemy do their moves sometimes.

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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Mushroom Kingdom Meltdown

Postby Sebby19 » 5 months ago

ano0maly wrote: I've been thinking that maybe when he enters a new area with tough enemies (like when he stumbled into that coastal spot the other day), it's a good time to bring in Bros. Moves. It's a good time to get more practice using them, and gives more rationale to invest in BP more, which is a bit low right now.

Also Advanced Moves.

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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Mushroom Kingdom Meltdown

Postby Ivy » 5 months ago

Isn't there going to be that one part in Joke's End that forces you to do a rally block for 30 or so coins? I remember something nightmarish of that caliber.

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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Mushroom Kingdom Meltdown

Postby Super Maks 64 » 5 months ago

Sebby19 wrote:

-When the Mecha-Chomp sparks, you can still jump on it. It's just that its malfunction means it's tells are reversed.

raocow has only encountered a single Mecha-Chomp and has seen it attack once, did you REALLY have to explain their entire gimmick now?
(the original post doesn't contain the ispoiler)

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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Mushroom Kingdom Meltdown

Postby Blivsey » 5 months ago

Sebby19 wrote:
Blivsey wrote: The Virus mechanic is so clever and I wish they had more defense so you were more inclined to actually use it.
Actually the Virus's are pretty tough, individually. It's just that raocow has pumped the bros. up with steroids because he thinks its 'funny'
They're going down just as easily as any other enemy he's fighting, so they don't seem to be any tougher than others. I'd honestly prefer it if they were significantly more resistant to attack, so you had a real incentive to play their gimmick.

Also no need to sound so derisive?? I admit I'm not the best at reading tone over the internet but those quote marks make you sound downright irritated
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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby MonkeyShrapnel » 5 months ago

Cackletta happens to give a very high amount of experience at this point of the game.
(Which funny enough, is actually a glitch resulting in her giving 3x the intended amount, which is fixed in the japanese version.)

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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby Sebby19 » 5 months ago

Well that certainly wasn't a clean battle. But congratulations! You beat the final boss. Now all that is left is to recover the Beanstar, and you win the game!

-When the witch splits into three, the real one will raise her arms at the same time.
-raocow, it's better to switch to Mode 1 to relearn attacks, so you get the slowdown. Bounce Bros. is B>A>B. Maybe practise on some enemies,
-The Heavy status ailmont increases how fast you jump, on attack AND defense. Thankfully, Bros. Attacks and Hammer(?) aren't affected. Inversely, the Light status ailmont, is the inverse, giving you more airtime. You can get that from those Green Peppers.

Don't forget to get those ? blocks you missed. Maybe they have some equipment? And there is that secret room you noted at the start of the video.

I can usually kill Cackletta's final phase in one attack, with the right Bros. Attack.
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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby KobaBeach » 5 months ago

as someone who is currently replaying megami tensei 1 (not shin) and is having fun with the stat building mechanic (i'm mostly just giving nakajima strength, yumiko intellect and buffing up vitality and speed for both, luck is gonna be an afterthought) and also loves other games that have stat building in them (especially if i can bullshit them like ff8 and ultima 1) raocow should keep pumping nearly everything into POW if he wants

this is his run he should feel free to shitpost in it as long as he doesnt softlock himself. games are about Fun

like in saga frontier i barely ever use guns and mystics unless i'm feeling like spicing things up, and i never use monsters unless im playing the first 2 game boy games (using them properly requires futzing about with spreadsheets and guides and such, same with setting up combos for that matter). and in the romancing saga games i completely ignore hammers and i'm especially picky about magic schools and spells in romancing 1-3 + sf1.

i also always forget about martial arts in the post rs1 games unless i'm using boston in rs3, the monks in rs2 or liza and fei-on in sf1 despite how broken they can get because im so used to barefisted fighting in an rpg sucking dick.

the "snippy intros" from episode 6 and 7 still stick and i'm not just saying that because that's where im at in terms of episodes. and i gotta say i'm pleasantly surprised at raocow's handling of an rpg. something more rigid like dragon quest wouldn't really befit him but i can see the experience from this lp expanding his horizons in terms of games he could play.
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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby Shard1697 » 5 months ago

wrt eeker's weird attack pattern:

when they do their rush attack, the number of times they "sway"(make a weird noise) is one less than the number of times they clap(but always at least one). so if they clap three times, they'll sway twice before moving forward. if they clap once, they'll sway once.

their other, more rare fireball attack you have to hit them twice with the hammer to prevent(if the first hit does not kill them), and if you don't they pelt you with a ton of fireballs. they're definitely tricky/weirdly complex enemies but they also have very low health so you can just get em first


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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby Kleetus » 5 months ago

Cackletta is great fight for the game's first climax, all her attacks even the lightning, her simplest, are flashy, and the fight has neat music.
Speaking of neat music the Mario RPGs have a lot of good music, and it should be represented more in Smash Bros.
I could never dodge her bat swarms properly.
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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby Grounder » 5 months ago

At this point, I'm just kind of wondering what raocow's going to do when ATK inevitably caps.
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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby FourteenthOrder » 5 months ago

I'm pretty sure it won't? Like, I think the cap for the stats is so high no player would ever reach them without cheating. The most that would happen is lower numbers in the roulette.

I might be totally wrong tho
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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby ano0maly » 5 months ago

If that does happen, he can start relying more on Bros. moves.

Also, does DEF affect the poison damage you take? I'm curious about that.

Also today was the coolest episode we had in a while.
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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby LunarRainbowShyGuy » 5 months ago

I found it a bit funny that after getting hit by the projectile that you're supposed to deflect with the barrels raocow's first thought was to shrink down Mario so Luigi would get hit instead. Anyway, Cackletta's here, and you actually fight her here. I don't have much to say about the fight itself, but I like how the music remixes the music of the cutscene immediately before the fight, as well as Cackletta's theme.

Also, since raocow leveled up from that battle, here's his bonus stat allocations.
The first number is the total increase, the first set of brackets show level up bonuses, and the second set of brackets show bonuses from drinks.
Mario
HP +9 (+3 +2) (+4)
BP +3 (+2 +1)
POW +20 (+2 +1 +1 +1 +3 +2 +2 +4 +1 +3)
DEF +4 (+2 +2)
SPEED +3 (+3)
STACHE +4 (+2 +2)

Luigi
HP +5 (+5)
BP +4 (+2 +2)
POW +21 (+1 +3 +1 +1 +4 +3 +1 +2 +2 +1 +2)
DEF +6 (+2 +4)
SPEED +7 (+4 +3)
STACHE +5 (+1) (+4)

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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby MonkeyShrapnel » 5 months ago

FourteenthOrder wrote: I'm pretty sure it won't? Like, I think the cap for the stats is so high no player would ever reach them without cheating. The most that would happen is lower numbers in the roulette.

I might be totally wrong tho
There's no way you can cap stats with just level-ups.

The max level is 99, but past level 50, the stats you get from leveling up drop significantly.

That being said, actually capping your stats is actually pretty easy, just time consuming thanks to the star beans drinks.
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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby Ashan » 5 months ago

Boy, it will never fail to surprise me how often your absurdly high damage output makes up for your staunch refusal to heal!

Also I can't believe I haven't mentioned this until now but I LOVE Cackletta's theme. It's like a classical fugue, and the way they make her boss music into a panicked remix of it is perfect.
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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby Sebby19 » 5 months ago

I guess it is fair to say that in order to be good at these games you need to pay a lot of attention to the enemies and their tells. Which you can't really do when you're talking to an audience.
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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby Chirei » 5 months ago

ano0maly wrote: Also, does DEF affect the poison damage you take? I'm curious about that.
Nope. Like all games that implement poison correctly, it will always bypass defense unless there's some explicit poison defense/resistance stat.

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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby Implo » 5 months ago

When final boss appears much earlier in the battle than at the end, it usually means that after winning this fight or at the end of it, there will be cheap explanation or cheap move telling us why we actually lost the battle. It was almost a case here. But Prince Peasley appeared and Nintendo managed to avoid this kind of situation.

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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby Mea » 5 months ago

Ashan wrote: Also I can't believe I haven't mentioned this until now but I LOVE Cackletta's theme. It's like a classical fugue, and the way they make her boss music into a panicked remix of it is perfect.
Went to go take a closer listen to it and yeah, really sounds awesome. Also holy shoot Yoko Shimomura did the sountrack for this game!?

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Re: Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga - Scarlet Devil Mario

Postby Sebby19 » 5 months ago

You better believe it! just wait until the final boss!

Unfortunately lightning didn't strike twice, so she kinda messed it up in the remake :ehh:
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