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Re: All The SOUPER S@nics - 3&K - Invincible

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raocow wrote: 4 years ago there can be good games even if things trend downwards!
i mean i agree, but i think that semantically the two statements are the same. "it's all downhill from sonic 3" doesn't mean every game is bad, just less than sonic 3. (i don't have an opinion about this myself, it's just semantics)
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I have to disagree with this being the peak of the series just because Sonic Mania exists and its original/remixed content actually trumps S3&K pretty hard imo. There's like very little if anything I can point to that I can actually say S3&K did better than Mania. It's insane how good of a game Mania was... but there's still a long time before we'll get to see raocow's reaction to it so I'll save my rambling on that for another time.
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when I said that I totally had mania in the back of my mind, which I haven't played but I sure have read a lot of elogious writing about it, haha

maybe it's another mountain in the chain
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it's definitely a sonic game for sonic fans, which can either be a good or bad thing

guess we'll see where raocow stands in 2027 or whenever we get there
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Frankly I'm looking forward to the whole bumpy ride to come, spinoffs and all. I love me some of those spinoffs, and I loathe some main entries, but they're all fascinating.
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So, I totally forgot, is raocow doing a Knuckles run?
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Awoo wrote: 4 years ago So, I totally forgot, is raocow doing a Knuckles run?
My understanding is that he'll do a Knuckles run right after this (probably after tomorrow's video?), then do a Tails run later when he gets to Sonic & Knuckles Collection.
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moogy wrote: 4 years ago The peak of the series is SA2 and I won't hear otherwise.

tbh I think all of the Genesis/Megadrive Sonic games are pretty bad
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raocow wrote: 4 years ago there can be good games even if things trend downwards!
Like Sonic Adventure 1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I want a capture card run of 06 so bad. Or Xenia/RPCS3 to become able to run that game decently. I want raocow to feel the pain I did by going through that whole game (not 100% just the four stories). yeah i beat

OoT Temple 6: Billiards Temple

at 10 years old and lived to tell the tale

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honestly? heroes should be a team sonic playthrough + someone gives him a save to play the final boss. there's just not enough different between each individual story to warrant four playthroughs.
and IMO shadow should be "raocow plays through a story mode once, is given a save with everything unlocked, plays the rest of the levels & fights the rest of the bosses in level select mode, then does the final story" because otherwise........ it ain't gonna work
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oh god i forgot about shadow frick
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Cyril wrote: 4 years ago honestly? heroes should be a team sonic playthrough + someone gives him a save to play the final boss. there's just not enough different between each individual story to warrant four playthroughs.
and IMO shadow should be "raocow plays through a story mode once, is given a save with everything unlocked, plays the rest of the levels & fights the rest of the bosses in level select mode, then does the final story" because otherwise........ it ain't gonna work
my opinion is that the definitive Shadow run is to play it through on Expert mode. only downside is that doing it this way skips the bosses, including the last one
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he should at least do most of the missions, right? i think everyone can agree that it ain't a real ShTH playthrough unless

you spend several hours hunting down cyber-bombs and Artificial Chaos and hating your life choices

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Blivsey wrote: 4 years ago he should at least do most of the missions, right? i think everyone can agree that it ain't a real ShTH playthrough unless

you spend several hours hunting down cyber-bombs and Artificial Chaos and hating your life choices

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It's not a true ShTH playthrough unless raocow plays through it for each and every single individual ending in full >:V

that'd be so bad if he actually did that omg please don't raocow

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Awoo wrote: 4 years ago It's not a true ShTH playthrough unless raocow plays through it for each and every single individual ending in full >:V

that'd be so bad if he actually did that omg please don't raocow

I think there's only like 11 endings, 10 normal, 1 Last Story.

Unless you mean the Library in which case i will destroy you
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standing by my opinion that a third playthrough of 3&k is actively unnecessary
Why don't you eat me?

I am perfectly tasty...

AND I'LL STEAL YOUR SOUL! :twisted:

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Grounder wrote: 4 years ago standing by my opinion that a third playthrough of 3&k is actively unnecessary
oh i totally agree with you. imo any appearance of skc in ats should be a one-off to show off the new music, and maybe also Blue Sphere
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honestly i think raocow should play heroes, shadow, etc. totally purely, no assistance (at least to start with! like until he gets ultra bored, but let him check it out for himself first). i know it might seem repetitive, but that's what those games are. i feel like "send a save file" has become the default response to anything recently, but game structure exists for a reason and is worth at least trying before resorting to skipping it.
Well it is a decent hack but sometime its just too repetitif there no level that actually pop in your face and your like oh yeah that level they all ressemble themselves and just monster along the way.
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who's gonna be the one to count the attempts at

the epic super rad and good billiard physics puzzle

until he gives up and just grabs a nearby box and

noclips into the door head letting him go on to the goal ring



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KobaBeach wrote: 4 years ago who's gonna be the one to count the attempts at

the epic super rad and good billiard physics puzzle

until he gives up and just grabs a nearby box and

noclips into the door head letting him go on to the goal ring



p.s. i agree with leet
I, for one,

am very much looking forward to raocow Mr. Magoo'ing his way through it in a completely unexpected and or game breaking way

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Awoo wrote: 4 years ago
KobaBeach wrote: 4 years ago who's gonna be the one to count the attempts at

the epic super rad and good billiard physics puzzle

until he gives up and just grabs a nearby box and

noclips into the door head letting him go on to the goal ring



p.s. i agree with leet
I, for one,

am very much looking forward to raocow Mr. Magoo'ing his way through it in a completely unexpected and or game breaking way

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Leet wrote: 4 years ago honestly i think raocow should play heroes, shadow, etc. totally purely, no assistance (at least to start with! like until he gets ultra bored, but let him check it out for himself first). i know it might seem repetitive, but that's what those games are. i feel like "send a save file" has become the default response to anything recently, but game structure exists for a reason and is worth at least trying before resorting to skipping it.
fully agree, especially in the case of shadow the hedgehog. as someone who actually somehow enjoyed ShtH as a kid,

learning to hate the Westopolis theme is integral to the game's experience

. and i only say that semi-ironically.
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And then Hyper Sonic was written out of existence entirely. Rest in peace.

Super fact: Though Knuckles gets Super and Hyper forms, Tails only gets a Super form, and only when you get all the Super Emeralds. Guess the normal emeralds don't give him enough juice??? That said, Super Tails just might be the most hilariously broken form in Sonic history.
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"what's the game that made people sick of all the new characters" sonic heroes, despite the fact that only one new character was introduced, more that sega seemed to get the wrong message of "more characters = better game" from the adventure games and decided to cram as many in as possible

sonic heroes is purely responsible for a lot of problems that plague the series going forward tbh.
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I'm going to say Sonic Adventure 2 is the line where people hit the limit in terms of how many characters they could bring themselves to care about.

So, of course, Sega continued to keep introducing new (playable) characters to the franchise for many games after that, to a point where "Sonic and his shitty friends" became a meme.
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im so sorry but that first montage of attempts on the blue super emerald is legitimately one of the funniest things i've seen in a long time. i'm freakin dying, i don't know how some of these situations near the end of that cut are even possible

like i totally get that the puzzle on that stage is A Thing for sure, but god i was laughing so hard
Cyril wrote: 4 years ago sonic heroes is purely responsible for a lot of problems that plague the series going forward tbh.
it exhibits a lot of those problems, but i don't think it's responsible for the jank running controls (adventure), jank camera (adventure), race-track-over-a-bottomless-pit level design (adventure, but moreso adventure 2), or edgelord storyline (adventure 2, or even satam; heroes was a relief in comparison). it may have introduced the trend of

'reintroduce a fan-favorite character only to waste it'

, and it definitely started the 'combat'-based gameplay with tedious multi-hit enemies thing, but, like you acknowledged with the 'characters = better' bit, Heroes didn't create the problems; it only demonstrated them once again (and enabled the meme due to the high-profile multiplatform release)
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