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Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Kilgamayan » 3 weeks ago

Independent of everything else I feel like emulating the approach to spoilers of a guy that was literally banned from this forum for his approach to spoilers seems like A Bad Idea

But that's just, like, my opinion, man
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby ano0maly » 3 weeks ago

thatguyif wrote: My problem with spoilers discussions is that when those who even accidentally spoil are treated with hatred.
This wasn't an an accidental case, though. You intentionally took content out in the open when it was originally intended to be spoilered out. There's no need for that.

You may say that there was no need for them to have the tags, but so? Is it that big of a deal? People took issues because, rather than disputing whether they truly qualified as spoilers, the reason you gave for this was simply that the games weren't "going to be played anytime soon" and so it didn't matter if they were spoilers. That's a risky assumption to make on behalf of raocow, and of others that may not have played those Kirby games.
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby thatguyif » 3 weeks ago

ano0maly wrote:
thatguyif wrote: My problem with spoilers discussions is that when those who even accidentally spoil are treated with hatred.
This wasn't an an accidental case, though. You intentionally took content out in the open when it was originally intended to be spoilered out. There's no need for that.
I'm not interested in discussing that incident. I'm making a broader point about the attitudes here regarding what happens when someone spoils, intentional or accidental.

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Kilgamayan » 3 weeks ago

FWIW I recall an event during AtMM where I unthinkingly posted something spoiler-y without tagging it. Ashan got on my case about it, I apologized and went back and tagged it, and nothing else ever came of it that I am aware of. I suppose it's possible that Ashan is silently nursing an eternal grudge against me, or that a mod has carved a jagged tally mark into the stone next to my name in a hypothetical staff forum, but I don't get the feeling either of those are the case.

What I'm getting at here is that I'm not at all aware of some sort of stigma against accidental untagged spoilers, even as someone that has been guilty of it in the past. The impression I've always had around here is that people that are apologetic about accidental spoilers are forgiven, and that the general populace only forms negative opinions of people that double down. Like, it's entirely possible some (or all) of the many unmarked spoilers that Sebby posted over the years were accidents because they were not things he considered spoilers, but he didn't get banned because of that, he got banned because he dug in his heels and insisted upon his right to unilaterally decide what constitutes a spoiler for other people.

Far be it from me to speculate on mod actions on a web sight where I am not a staff member, but given the number of times mods have gone back and added spoiler tags to your posts and the fact that this discussion is happening now, it really seems to me that you might be hurtling down that same highway. It may be worth stepping back for a moment and thinking about what you really hope to accomplish here, as well as the best way to accomplish your goals, given the ethos of this community and the events that have actually factually transpired in the recent past on this forum.
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby thatguyif » 3 weeks ago

Kilgamayan wrote: given the ethos of this community and the events that have actually factually transpired in the recent past on this forum.
Let us consider facts then: You jumped to conclusions and accused me multiple times of being Sebby in a snide passive-aggressive manner in recent posts. Disregarding the immediate implications of drawing false assumptions and parallels, you smeared my name in a childish fashion. This should be neither dismissed nor ignored, for this behavior is what's upsetting me. Being passive-aggressive is toxic, Kilgamayan. Taking a suddenly mature stance in explaining what you feel does not erase that.

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Arctangent » 3 weeks ago

thatguyif wrote: Let us consider facts then: You jumped to conclusions and accused me multiple times of being Sebby in a snide passive-aggressive manner in recent posts.
these sure are some very striking Facts, considering five seconds of looking it up shows that they're completely unfactual

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Leet » 3 weeks ago

thatguyif wrote: I'm not interested in discussing that incident.
Acting like a dick and responding to objections with "i am not interested in discussing the thing i just did right now, please consider something unrelated instead" doesn't come off as in good faith either
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby FourteenthOrder » 3 weeks ago

And really, even if we were to ignore the particulars, like, what's the harm in playing things safe with regard to spoiler tags? They take like 2 seconds to add.
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Blivsey » 3 weeks ago

for what it's worth, if my one response in the thread came across as dickish and passive-aggressive i apologise for it

consider it my part in trying to lower the anger level of the discussion
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Leet » 3 weeks ago

I don't think anybody is angry.
Well it is a decent hack but sometime its just too repetitif there no level that actually pop in your face and your like oh yeah that level they all ressemble themselves and just monster along the way.
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby rena » 2 weeks ago

i ended up banning them. if they come back then they can attempt to make amends with people and stop being toxic or i'll just ban them again

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby rena » 2 weeks ago

i'd like to request that even if you don't agree philosophically about spoilers that you don't just go in the lp threads and spoil things anyway. additionally intentionally un-spoilering something that somebody else wrote is just rude. and people generally aren't there to be engaged on the topic. in general if you really want to argue about the nature of spoilers then a certain level of respect and empathy is evidently needed. if you make a mistake, just apologise and make up for it, nobody minds.

i've updated the rules on spoilers to be a little more specific - feel free to discuss here if they're appropriate / accurate or suggest wording changes

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby rena » 2 weeks ago

I just went ahead and reworded the rules in general to be more concise, I don't know if anybody was reading them.

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Grounder » 2 weeks ago

Do we really need the reminder above the post editor?

Also I feel like the "empathy" thing could be better emphasized for going for everyone.
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby rena » 2 weeks ago

Grounder wrote: Do we really need the reminder above the post editor?

Also I feel like the "empathy" thing could be better emphasized for going for everyone.
probably not permanently and agreed

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Kilgamayan » 2 weeks ago

Man, my "Clearly they're the same person" comment was painfully obviously in jest. That's, like, exactly what the strikethrough tag is for. :| (Never mind that sock puppetry was/is obviously not going on because it would have been going on for five plus years based solely on account creation dates.)

But, well, okay, I guess this is where we are now.
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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby rena » 2 weeks ago

Kilgamayan wrote: Far be it from me to speculate on mod actions on a web sight where I am not a staff member
do you wanna be

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby Mata Hari » 2 weeks ago

Heh, you said 'staff'. And 'member'.

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby ano0maly » 1 week ago

Wow it really happened

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

Postby rena » 1 week ago

oh yeah fe.el free to speculate wildly now

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Re: Spoilers & Backseat Gaming Problem Discussion

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ano0maly wrote: Wow it really happened

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