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SMB4 SMW TSRP2R Zycloboo's Challenge v2.2 - Final Action

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Re: SMB4 SMW TSRP2R Zycloboo's Challenge v2.2 - Daylight Saving Time Valley

Postby tangy » 2 years ago

I will always associate smw redrawn with this series too tbh
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Postby Lockirby2 » 2 years ago

TSRP1R was the first hack that I ever played. Back then, it took me hours to get to the end of Bowser's Starship. I'm interested in seeing how the second game holds up. Malicious Mansion was a pretty nice level, honestly.

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Postby Ometeotl » 2 years ago

Tyty wrote: Redrawn was the best we had for a while,
Completely disagree. Vanilla SMW looks much better than Redrawn

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Postby Ashan » 2 years ago

Ometeotl wrote:
Tyty wrote: Redrawn was the best we had for a while,
Completely disagree. Vanilla SMW looks much better than Redrawn
I've never been able to figure out if the redrawn sprites are supposed to be better, or just different.
If their intent is to be better than vanilla graphics, it would imply people who use them think Nintendo isn't as competent at making sprites as whoever did redrawn, but I just think SMW is stylized to take advantage of what they have to work with. The redrawn sprites try so hard at looking flashy and modern that it just looks weird. It's like the SMW equivalent of the N64 era where games looked worse than previous generation because they were trying to push further into looking "realistic" but they just weren't there yet. Sure, Mario's overworld sprite in SMW doesn't have a LOT of details, but the details it does have can be clearly made out. The redrawn sprite you can't even tell what's his mustache, and his face kinda looks like a giant eye because they tried to cram every detail of Mario into a tiny area, so it just looks worse.

It's definitely a neat proof of concept and you can tell a lot of work went into it. And this is also a hot take like a decade later where people view SMW hacks very differently, but barring that context my feeling is that redrawn is a case of failing to understand the advantage of simplicity.
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Postby Ometeotl » 2 years ago

That's all true but there's also the way they desaturated so much, so the bright skin koopas become this dull brownish color.

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Postby Money » 2 years ago

I'm not gonna say the dialogue isnt "well written" in terms of how it conveys personality well, but yeah i really gotta echo the sentiment here that this game just has too much, and it ends up saying so little with it.

Re: SMW Redrawn: Yeah i agree it doesn't look great on average (some things look perfectly fine tho, the tilesets imo look good) but the spriteset really is mentally linked with TSRPR, so it'd be weird not to have them in TSRPR2. Plus, honestly, SMW on the whole is a p dang ugly game. Sprite clashing out the wazoo, hardly utilizing the SNES's capabilities, and a lot of the sprites just straight up dont look good (buzzy beetle's """walk animation""", bob-omb literally only using two colors, the koopalings looking jank af, bowser looks like he's having a stroke, i could go on)

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Postby J. J. W. Mezun » 2 years ago

Funny you mention the origin o' Yoshi originally being a horse, as just recently in an interview Tezuka mentioned that the inspiration for Yoshi was Miyamoto's love for horses:
According to Tezuka, Shigeru Miyamoto said he wanted Mario to ride a horse. “I think he likes horses,” Tezuka added. “When we were making [Super Mario Bros. 3], he drew a picture of Mario riding a horse and had put it up on wall next to where he sits. When I saw that, I thought, ‘I guess he wants Mario to ride something.’ So, when we were making Super Mario World, we had this ‘dinosaur land’ concept, and I had Hino draw reptile type art.”
Also, if you want to be horrified, here's some earlier versions o' Yoshi's sprite art.
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Postby alleightbits » 2 years ago

naming gimmick: similar to mgu2, what raocow says around the four-minute mark of gameplay footage of the corresponding tsrp2 video.
Now's a good time as any to start becoming acquainted by this landmark series.

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Postby Ashan » 2 years ago

J. J. W. Mezun wrote: Funny you mention the origin o' Yoshi originally being a horse, as just recently in an interview Tezuka mentioned that the inspiration for Yoshi was Miyamoto's love for horses:
According to Tezuka, Shigeru Miyamoto said he wanted Mario to ride a horse. “I think he likes horses,” Tezuka added. “When we were making [Super Mario Bros. 3], he drew a picture of Mario riding a horse and had put it up on wall next to where he sits. When I saw that, I thought, ‘I guess he wants Mario to ride something.’ So, when we were making Super Mario World, we had this ‘dinosaur land’ concept, and I had Hino draw reptile type art.”
Also, if you want to be horrified, here's some earlier versions o' Yoshi's sprite art.
Oh man, on the topic of early Yoshi stuff, I'm sure a lot of people saw all the articles popping up recently where people suddenly realized that Mario is punching Yoshi's head to make him stick out his tongue. Not surprising to most of us who are bigger enthusiasts of the game, but apparently Nintendo is now claiming it was originally a punch, but was changed to a "point gesture," and there even was originally a 'bop' sound effect when Mario bashed Yoshi on the head.
This is straying from the thread topic but I thought that was interesting.
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Postby raocow » 2 years ago

8bitgamer123 wrote: naming gimmick: similar to mgu2, what raocow says around the four-minute mark of gameplay footage of the corresponding tsrp2 video.
Now's a good time as any to start becoming acquainted by this landmark series.
I'm both surprised and not surprised by how quick this was found
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Postby Le Neveu de Rameau » 2 years ago

Yeah, a "technomage" is basically a mediocre engineer who uses bangs and flashes to hide the fact that they're not actually all that great at their craft. Which is essentially what Thirlox comes off as, the smarmy insufferable git that he is. Honestly, I was never quite sure whether the hack intends you to view him as a complete joke or not--on the one hand, this is his intro, and Marty treats him with nothing but disdain throughout the game. Furthermore, most of his later traps are fairly ineffective, and he generally comes off as little more than an easily and quickly dispatched minor nuisance in the levels where he appears in person (

one room near the end where he appears under water being the only place where he serves as even half a threat

). And yet everyone in the story who isn't Marty seems to take him seriously, including Zycloboo, whom you wouldn't expect to put up with his self-congratulatory semi-incompetence as long or as silently as he does. It's a curious bit of ambiguity in a script that otherwise tends to err on the side of being overwritten.

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Postby Tyty » 2 years ago

Ometeotl wrote: Completely disagree. Vanilla SMW looks much better than Redrawn
I say that because it was consistent (unlike SMW), and it's "all we had" because original gfx were kinda a mess at the time (Many slots, lots of map16, all different styles). Actually messing with ripped graphics and mixing sets was way harder because Map16 was horrendous to work with, palettes weren't optimized, and we had less gfx slots. Even when people did change palettes they usually ended up desaturated as hell... Or were DKC graphics stuffed into SMW (which looks horrible).

Eventually people found ways to make Vanilla SMW look better (And easier, due to the better map16 editor), more tilesets came out that didn't clash horribly with everything else, and people started using colors again. Things took a while to change, but I agree that it's certainly better now, even if things can end up a mishmsash of graphics that don't match entirely sometimes.

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Postby Alice » 2 years ago

raocow wrote: I wouldn't have done it that way had I known it was going to be that long!
It was unexpectedly long-winded, lol. Dialogue in this hack seems to be ~2-3x longer than it really should be.

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Postby CanUBe » 2 years ago

Ometeotl wrote:
Tyty wrote: Redrawn was the best we had for a while,
Completely disagree. Vanilla SMW looks much better than Redrawn
IMO neither set of graphics is particularly beautiful. SMW's graphics are too simple, and it's a bit disappointing that almost every overworld level just uses a different palette on the same grassy tileset. Really it's one of the (surprisingly few) ways you can tell the game was rushed to release at the same time as the SNES. Meanwhile the redrawn graphics are overdetailed messes that go too far in "correcting" vanilla SMW. I think the best classic Mario sprites are easily the SMAS SMB3 ones.
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Postby Money » 2 years ago

One thing I appreciate this hack having: bonus rooms that only serve to give you coins. That's a thing from the legit Mario games you really dont see very often in fan projects (though theyve kinda fallen by the wayside in legit Mario games recently as well)

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Postby Mata Hari » 2 years ago

shouldn't sonic the zonehog have a red dot

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Postby raocow » 2 years ago

not if it just has one exit
Also I reckon the levels that hide switches are yellow, like the switch doesn't count as 'an exit' or somethign, which is why we have the game telling you where they are instead
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Postby General_Urist » 2 years ago

You know, I know it's early but from the discussion here I'm getting the impression that the guy who made TSRPR2 is a very good lever designer but a very bad script writer.

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Postby Lockirby2 » 2 years ago

While I'm not in love with all the long text, I don't think the added text in Marty's base is an issue. I felt like the extra hints were helpful, and there's no need to keep it all in your head at once anyways because they're all in completely different worlds.

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Postby warpio » 2 years ago

I'm kinda liking these colorful level tiles and detailed backgrounds... but other than that, this remake seems incredibly pointless... Are the people who suggested this game just unironic fans of Mario fanfiction or what?

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Postby S.N.N. » 2 years ago

General_Urist wrote: You know, I know it's early but from the discussion here I'm getting the impression that the guy who made TSRPR2 is a very good lever designer but a very bad script writer.
I don't recall the writing improving much as the game goes on. It was great in TSRPR because the script was isolated towards the very end of the game and it wasn't overkill, but it's really excessive in 2R.

But yeah, FPI is a great level designer, so it balances out I guess.

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Postby AlchemistHohenheim » 2 years ago

The mountains of text in the first two videos were absolutely intrusive, but I feel like the hints about the Switch Palace locations from Marty in this one were fine. Especially since it's all optional, as opposed to being a mandatory cutscene.
So this thread is a thing. Maybe check it out.

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Postby Validon98 » 2 years ago

The redrawn sprites have always been just sort of weird to me. SMW graphics themselves had weird oddities but the redrawn stuff is just... kinda ugly in a whole different way?

Regarding the text, it's more or less as raocow says. Having been taking some writing courses myself, it's been stressed repeatedly to me that most of the time less is more, and this goes double for dialogue. Drowning your audience in a million words, especially in a video game, is just tedious and sometimes the important points can be missed within massive blocks of whatever.
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Postby Blue » 2 years ago

Alice wrote:
raocow wrote: I wouldn't have done it that way had I known it was going to be that long!
It was unexpectedly long-winded, lol. Dialogue in this hack seems to be ~2-3x longer than it really should be.
That mole used four full text boxes to say "There's a switch we need to hit to deactivate these blocks," which isn't even really something you need a textbox for. Vanilla SMW certainly didn't need to spell it out.


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