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Re: Mega Man ZX - There Can Be Only One

Postby Ashan » 6 months ago

freshtalk wrote: Be sure to pick a boy named Grey next time just for tiny continuity's sake. It's a small thing ultimately.

ZX is great, and it along with Star Force might have been one of my big gates into stuff like fanfiction and making OCs back then.
It's interesting how much overlap the ZX games have with Star Force. I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread when ZX started, but they were doing 2 Mega Man series at the same time with very similar concepts of the Mega Man being a regular kid (I actually don't know how old Aile/boy Aile [Maile?] are supposed to be) that merges with some other entity that makes them into a superhero.
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Re: Mega Man ZX - There Can Be Only One

Postby xnamkcor » 6 months ago

Megaman Zed is the story of a metal swordman with sentience that befriends a human girl and eventually a romantic relationship is almost implied. They live with eachother in a place that used to be safe, but now has been invaded by enemies, so they have to stay hidden. The human girl never seems afraid of Zed.

PS: Sorry if any of that is spoilers.
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Re: Mega Man ZX - There Can Be Only One

Postby Cyril » 6 months ago

Paragraph wrote: I agree with your assessment that the level design just isn't all there, raocow. Most of the areas are just corridors with some flavor of enemy in the way, sometimes there's stage hazards, but never anything really special. The Zero series is way better at having varied, interesting levels with challenging and inventive enemy placement, and that's why I prefer it.
I've honestly felt this way about every X game from 4 onwards as well as every zero game, the more combat-oriented games just don't seem to be able to have decent platforming
X6 is like the notable exception, except that one had crappy platforming instead of fun platforming
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Re: Mega Man ZX - There Can Be Only One

Postby Stink Terios » 6 months ago

What disappoints me the most about ZX is how utterly regressive the plot is. The Zero series was very well-crafted in that regard, even as far as each individual boss having interesting motivations and personality.

And now we're back to vague anime spiels about EVOLUTION!! and that's just meaningless, generic garbage.

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Postby Leet » 6 months ago

A few of the shots in those cutscenes were straight out of Evangelion, which is maybe telling in regards to other aspects of the plot
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Re: Mega Man ZX - There Can Be Only One

Postby Shard1697 » 6 months ago

Stink Terios wrote: What disappoints me the most about ZX is how utterly regressive the plot is. The Zero series was very well-crafted in that regard, even as far as each individual boss having interesting motivations and personality.

And now we're back to vague anime spiels about EVOLUTION!! and that's just meaningless, generic garbage.
also we're back to "mavericks" just meaning "bad violent robots" after all the development of that term and what it actually means to kill rebelling intelligent robots in the zero series

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Postby Bean » 6 months ago

Stink Terios wrote: What disappoints me the most about ZX is how utterly regressive the plot is. The Zero series was very well-crafted in that regard, even as far as each individual boss having interesting motivations and personality.

And now we're back to vague anime spiels about EVOLUTION!! and that's just meaningless, generic garbage.
That evolution stuff has been in the games as far back as Zero 2. Go back and count how many times the phrase "the new world" popped up in those or those that just talked about Elpizo & Weil's glorious plans. They were still pawns even if they had personalities previously. It's always been the same thing with the bots being brainwashed or thinking they were in the right, same as always.

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Re: Mega Man ZX - There Can Be Only One

Postby Zambo Ace » 6 months ago

Stink Terios wrote: What disappoints me the most about ZX is how utterly regressive the plot is. The Zero series was very well-crafted in that regard, even as far as each individual boss having interesting motivations and personality.

And now we're back to vague anime spiels about EVOLUTION!! and that's just meaningless, generic garbage.
I think that's a pretty uncharitable take.

The plot in Zero games was largely about fighting against an oppressive government that routinely killed people to maintain power.
The plot in ZX is about fighting against an oppressive corporation that routinely kills people to acquire power.

Aside from plot details like the world of ZX having solved the energy crisis and robo-racism, the biggest difference between the two is largely in presentation. In the Zero games people talked about how the citizens were complacent in Neo Arcadia, but you never actually meet any (barring some refugees in Z4). In ZX, you actually spend time walking around an inhabited city and speaking with people. Several of them tell you how safe the Bad Snake Man has made the city. A little kid tells you how his mom is pressuring him to grow up to become a suit in the local Villainous Evil Company.

It might be generic, but it ain't any more meaningless than Zero was. The fact that Serpent couches his efforts to seize power as him "evolving" from a powerless dude to a ruling "Megaman" doesn't change that. Dude wants to be in charge, like Weil and Copy X before him.

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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby Chirei » 6 months ago

It's this game!

I don't know what is up with the sound, but maybe try to look for a fix? The entire game is basically voice acted so there's going to be a lot of scratchiness at this rate.

With the Pause Menu now telling you all of your moves for each form, i'm now out of a job. Hooray!

Grey is a Reploid, so that's why he gets "Re" for his base form. Ashe is a human, so she gets "Hu". It's also why he has his "scarf" which are his plugs always hanging out and why does no one question this

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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby Super Llama » 6 months ago

I got some real bad news.

Grey's English voice actor was in X7. He was X's voice actor, but also the voice actor for a certain...OTHER reploid.

Also, one important thing you miss in Ashe's storyline at this point is her insatiable quest for booty.

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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby Reverning » 6 months ago

Grey's a good boi.

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Re: Mega Man ZX - There Can Be Only One

Postby freshtalk » 6 months ago

Ashan wrote: It's interesting how much overlap the ZX games have with Star Force. I think I mentioned this earlier in the thread when ZX started, but they were doing 2 Mega Man series at the same time with very similar concepts of the Mega Man being a regular kid (I actually don't know how old Aile/boy Aile [Maile?] are supposed to be) that merges with some other entity that makes them into a superhero.
I like them both a lot, and I'm sure the rehular person gaining superpowers is a reason why lotta people at a specific age latch onto them.
It is pretty amusing and also cool how both Nintendo DS Mega Man games just did their own take on Kamen Rider.

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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby ano0maly » 6 months ago

I haven't started playing Advent yet so I probably won't have much to say for this playthrough, but regarding the voiceovers:

The Japanese version of the first ZX did have voice acting alongside the text, but the North American version (I don't know about the other versions) took out the voice acting because it might be confusing to have Japanese voiceovers during English text boxes. English voiceovers weren't prepared for this game. Now with ZX Advent we do have English dub. And I'm just expecting it to be jarring when the first game had Japanese voices and the second game has English voices, particularly for shared characters, with different voice actors of course.

X games did that at times as well, I remember X6/X7 doing that, but those two had quite contrasting presentations so you can treat them as completely different things, whereas Advent does feel like a direct sequel.
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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby Leet » 6 months ago

Oh it is a shame to miss out on those Ashe scenes especially as they'd be voice-acted

Anyway this is the good game I remember
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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby Heavy Sigh » 6 months ago

Man, evil research labs have some incredible tunes playing on their PA systems.


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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby Rockythechao » 6 months ago

Oof, that crackling. As others said in the youtube comments, them snaps 'n pops are an emulation issue, but yeah the muffled, low-quality audio was definitely a thing while playing it on an actual DS. Idk what the storage was like for DS cartridges but with how much audio there is between the two characters' stories -- it's not just Grey and Ashe but other characters have a lot of different lines as well from what I remember -- I'd imagine some significant compression would be necessary to fit it all in. Though, it's always possible there may have been higher-capacity cartridges and Capcom just didn't want to pay the extra manufacturing costs...

Regardless, I remember enjoying the voicework in this game back in the day. It's not really good, but it's far from the worst I've heard and it has a goofy charm to it. That being said, this and the first ZX were my first experiences with this franchise's efforts at voice acting so maybe I'm a bit nostalgic for the novelty it had for me at the time.
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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby SAJewers » 6 months ago

FWIW, it seems melonDS emulates the audio fine? (though I don't have a cartridge to test on a real ds)



worse case, you can switch emulators

EDIT: apparently, he fixed it, per patapon spotzone
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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby Kilgamayan » 6 months ago

Ashe :(

Billy is the best MegaMan character name ever btw
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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby Shard1697 » 6 months ago

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grey's voiceacting for "What have you done to me!?" is extremely funny

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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby Ashan » 6 months ago

Super Llama wrote: Grey's English voice actor was in X7. He was X's voice actor
100% recognized this as soon as he started talking.
He sounds like Justin Roiland doing the Morty voice except not intentionally making it sound like a pathetic whiny child, it's just happening to come out like that.

Also that icon on the monitor in the database room looks to be a Star Force reference. It's the insignia on Mega Man's chest in that series, I think it's supposed to be a constellation.
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Unless that's like a regular occurring symbol of whatever this group is. They look pretty similar either way, and both series were releasing games at the same time.
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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby Shard1697 » 6 months ago

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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby Stink Terios » 6 months ago

What happened to the aspect ratio? Did the resolution get misconfigured when switching games or is it slightly different naturally and the emulator kept ZX's resolution?

Anyway, while I didn't mind the first time I played the game the audio quality is just... so jarring. It's amazing how we get MM8/X4 quality voice acting this late in the franchise.
It's even slightly worse in this game, it sounds like it was recorded out of a dumpster.

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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby Cyril » 6 months ago

The DS's sound chip just isn't very good, is a big part of it.
i've honestly never played a video game in my life

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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby Ashan » 6 months ago

Stink Terios wrote: is it slightly different naturally and the emulator kept ZX's resolution?
How could 2 DS games have different aspect ratios or resolutions? They're made for the same hardware.
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Re: Mega Man ZX Advent - The Last Mega Man

Postby Stink Terios » 6 months ago

Ashan wrote:
Stink Terios wrote: is it slightly different naturally and the emulator kept ZX's resolution?
How could 2 DS games have different aspect ratios or resolutions? They're made for the same hardware.
Both the SNES and PSX can have different resolutions between games, it's not too much of a stretch to think this might apply to the DS for sone god—forsaken reason.


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