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Re: hypnosis redo: like rain on your wedding day

Postby Leet » 2 years ago

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Leet wrote: oh boy it's the talkhaus time when people talk about whether it's "okay" to make something or not
Oh boy it's the talkhaus time where someones pet project is called out and they get indignant!

You are totally allowed to make garbage levels.

This does not mean that we HAVE to enjoy it.
Yeah, and I don't think anybody in the history of this entire website has ever said that you had to enjoy anything. What's your point?

But when people say "oh, so it's perfectly fine to make a bad level if you did it ironically?" implies that it isn't "perfectly fine" to make a bad level in the first place. Or "this doesn't excuse that it's awful", which implies that the author should have to do something other than explain why it's awful. That's what I take issue with.

When you see "this is why the level turned out the way it did" as being indignant, or that a bad level should have to be "called out", that's Kinda Weird. It's just a level, not a war crime.
Well it is a decent hack but sometime its just too repetitif there no level that actually pop in your face and your like oh yeah that level they all ressemble themselves and just monster along the way.
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Postby Ometeotl » 2 years ago

You're right, let's just throw away criticism as a whole.

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Postby Leet » 2 years ago

You know that's not what I said, so it's utterly worthless to explain it.

When Pyro saying "my level is bad" isn't enough for you, what else are you wanting? You're both in agreement. If you want to do criticism, you can write about why the level is bad, like, actually think about it and analyze it. Jokes and comebacks aren't very good criticism.

But, I don't think anybody means to imply or say that the level's existence isn't fine, they just don't really think about the words.
Well it is a decent hack but sometime its just too repetitif there no level that actually pop in your face and your like oh yeah that level they all ressemble themselves and just monster along the way.
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Postby BobisOnlyBob » 2 years ago

I think people like me are annoyed that the level is being played at all instead of a good level, that it was included in this episode at all when it's clearly not a part of it thematically or... at all, and that while pyro is contrite about the faults, it doesn't excuse the objective faults in not only its design but the intent that went into its design, as it fails not only at being a good level or an entertaining level, it actually fails at being a bad level as intended!

I don't have a problem with the level existing. I have a problem with it being unentertaining dreck that even raocow's infectious humour couldn't salvage, and it being included in this mandatory-Link-episode that is also full of questionable design decisions and excessive dialogue. I read the rationale and history that went into its creation and came away even more bothered by it than I already was.

All that said, today's episode wasn't bad at all and used some clever LUA platforming without double-sprite glitches or even excessive dialogue despite a custom boss! I definitely want to see more of this sort of thing, genuinely interesting tech and letting the level design speak for itself. I know you can make good levels pyro! Don't make me file you under U for Umbra forever!
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Postby Enjl » 2 years ago

raocow wrote:video 3 of this series was just tagged as non-add friendly.
Wait... third video? That's weird. I'm looking at my video manager and the only flag from my uploads which got flagged for copyright was Prismatic Caves. No hint of copyright flags on Darkmatter Fleet and Catharsis.
BobisOnlyBob wrote:used some clever LUA platforming without double-sprite glitches
IDK what you mean by Lua-platforming, especially since pretty much all of the level's lua code is for the boss fight.

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Postby BobisOnlyBob » 2 years ago

Enjl wrote: IDK what you mean by Lua-platforming, especially since pretty much all of the level's lua code is for the boss fight.
I was mostly thinking about the way the ship broke apart and the water rise after, but yeah, you can just do that with regular layers. It was just very smooth and elegant and stood out in comparison to the rest of the episode so far.
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Postby SAJewers » 2 years ago

Enjl wrote:
raocow wrote:video 3 of this series was just tagged as non-add friendly.
Wait... third video? That's weird. I'm looking at my video manager and the only flag from my uploads which got flagged for copyright was Prismatic Caves. No hint of copyright flags on Darkmatter Fleet and Catharsis.
He;s not talking about ContentID, he's talking about Restricted mode.
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Postby Enjl » 2 years ago

SAJewers wrote:He;s not talking about ContentID, he's talking about Restricted mode.
Oh right, that mode exists now. I completely forgot about it.

On the topic of today's video, I expected raocow to have more trouble with the level, mainly because it took me many more attempts to beat this level after pyro sent it to me.
And no, cow, the next one isn't the final one. Evil and good route are laid out the same way:
2 levels you can beat in any order followed by 2 levels in a strict order that directly take aim at the finale.

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Postby Grounder » 2 years ago

Is there any point to getting the key?

Is it, like, the ultra-final level?
Why don't you eat me?

I am perfectly tasty...

AND I'LL STEAL YOUR SOUL! :twisted:

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Postby Enjl » 2 years ago

Grounder wrote: Is there any point to getting the key?

Is it, like, the ultra-final level?
Yeah, it's one of two things that lets the player enter the 2nd and last postgame level. Said level being endlessly less of "a thing" than Grand Chemo.

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Re: hypnosis redo: like rain on your wedding day

Postby Pyro » 2 years ago

hi its my first real level!!!! idk what to say about it that much honestly. I kinda just got an idea to make a gost hut level and asked Enjl if I could do Forgotten Mansion and he let me so yay there it is. Two fun facts, I made a boo laser for this level but totally forgot to use it, and there's a secret room with a Boo Cloud in it

(reenter the door at the beginning of fishing fish guy room)

. The cloud is kind of broken and inaccurate soooo... There's also one more fun fact relating to the boss but I'll save it for later :3.

This level is also the second example of my terrible writing skills and trying to be an edgelord. It gets worse tomorrow lmao (but the level tomorrow is probably my personal favorite level I've made in SMBX. now watch as raocow dies 1000 times in the level and doesn't get the boss because I said that)

edit: also WHOOPS at that boo block lol. no one ever complained about it so i didnt touch it :S i probably should have made it don't move in hindsight
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mr cool
Why don't you eat me?

I am perfectly tasty...

AND I'LL STEAL YOUR SOUL! :twisted:

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Huh. I wonder why the swearing means no ads because I could've sworn I've seen YT channels with swearing still having ads/being monetized.
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How would a YT algorithm find a single "fuck" in white on blue in a textbox in a videogame?

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Postby Ryrir » 2 years ago

the level design of this episode still hasn't clicked with me (I guess I'm just not really into the smbx-forums-style of level design as a whole), but man, these bosses are amazing
this is getting laundromatic

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literally carol

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Postby SAJewers » 2 years ago

Ryrir wrote: the level design of this episode still hasn't clicked with me (I guess I'm just not really into the smbx-forums-style of level design as a whole), but man, these bosses are amazing
I think it might be because it doesn't feel like a mario game at all. For me at least, it doesn't have that mario feel/vibe to it at all, so it just ends up felling like a generic, uninteresting platformer to me, and doesn't click at all.
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Postby Enjl » 2 years ago

sorry about all the farming :c
also don't forget about the green switch in the sewers after you have the key.

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Postby AuraLancer » 2 years ago

Do you plan on playing any of the other episodes? This ended up being a lot more interesting than I anticipated.

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Postby Dragon Fogel » 2 years ago

Favorite line this episode: "Dang it, I hate the world without umbrellas! I keep getting wet."
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Re: hypnosis redo: like rain on your wedding day

Postby Pyro » 2 years ago

AuraLancer wrote: Do you plan on playing any of the other episodes? This ended up being a lot more interesting than I anticipated.
To be blunt, every other episode in the 2k1x series is worse than this, lmao. They're either mostly vanilla romp town hell with even more injokes, or just straight up badly designed with the occasional cool lua. I'd recommend to rao to just play the next two entries when they come out because they'll be up to and surpassing the quality of this.

(also enjl says that there's one other episode, december collapse, that is as good as this but it's not. it's not :V)

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Postby Rockythechao » 2 years ago

I mean, I don't know if I'd say it's as good as this game but I still enjoyed it quite a bit

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Postby underFlo » 2 years ago

yeah december collapse is good

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Did you ever notice that Sanct looks like a soda bottle?

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