raocow's talkhaus

raocow wrote:I have to say this, when this game gets good, it's kinda hard to stop!

Riolu180 wrote:It's interesting how the ability to double jump is typically what opens up the most paths through metroidvanias. Heck, look at Metroid Prime- a heck of a lot of stuff opens up once you get the double jump there, ESPECIALLY if you get them upon reaching the first real area of the game!

En Gardevoir wrote:Oh man he should have gone back to the library or descended downwards. He should have remembered those paths right about now.

And yeah. If I remember correctly, Olrox's Quarters can really smash one's face in at this point in the game. Best to find other areas.

raocow wrote:I have to say this, when this game gets good, it's kinda hard to stop!

BobisOnlyBob wrote:It's pretty much the simplest possible navigational improvement besides maybe a dash ability, opens up the Y-axis and X-axis for player movement... a higher jump would usually do the same trick for just the Y-axis, but lacks a corresponding input change (pressing a second time during your first jump). It's a really intuitive unlock with obvious consequences compared to other key-and-lock type interactions (whether they're missiles that open doors or an alternate form that lets you squeeze through narrow areas like mist or morph ball etc.)

Rex Ganymede wrote:i'm fine with raocow visiting areas he probably shouldn't be — as i've said elsewhere, that's what the Save Points are there for , if/when raowie bites the steak

i don't like encountering normal enemies that take longer than 20 seconds to deal with, so I'd rather die and return to where it's appropriate for me to be

YelseyKing wrote:He seems to get it in his head that, even though a game has been on the easy side, whatever he's encountered is just disproportionately difficult, as opposed to being something he's not actually *meant* to do at that point.

Alice wrote:As I pointed out some amount of pages ago, I ended up beating the underground waterway in Circle of the Moon without the item that makes the water there no longer poison you. That was exactly the reason I ended up doing that. Even if the difficulty seems out of whack compared to the rest of the game, if you haven't found anywhere else that you can go then it's easy to get it stuck in your head that you have to make it through there. (Though obviously this doesn't apply in this particular case with raocow and he does indeed have a habit of doing that but it's still something that can legitimately happen not simply from stubbornness.)

Alice wrote:

YelseyKing wrote:He seems to get it in his head that, even though a game has been on the easy side, whatever he's encountered is just disproportionately difficult, as opposed to being something he's not actually *meant* to do at that point.

To be fair while the newer games don't really do it so much anymore, the older ones do have a habit of somewhat wonky difficulty curves at times as well as not making it clear you're not supposed to be in an area. That latter part can especially be damning if the only place you're finding that you can actually go is a very difficult area you're not actually intended to go but the only thing stopping you is something like being able to tank the damage.

As I pointed out some amount of pages ago, I ended up beating the underground waterway in Circle of the Moon without the item that makes the water there no longer poison you. That was exactly the reason I ended up doing that. Even if the difficulty seems out of whack compared to the rest of the game, if you haven't found anywhere else that you can go then it's easy to get it stuck in your head that you have to make it through there. (Though obviously this doesn't apply in this particular case with raocow and he does indeed have a habit of doing that but it's still something that can legitimately happen not simply from stubbornness.)

Tenlade wrote:also going through the water section without the item is understandable since it came out right after this game, where water damaging you was normal and its just used as an obstacle.

there is an item in SoTN that lets you go in the water, though it's optional and hidden behind a breakable floor

En Gardevoir wrote:PS: How to censor my comment with blackness?

[ispoiler]Like this.[/ispoiler]

Razzling wrote:

Tenlade wrote:also going through the water section without the item is understandable since it came out right after this game, where water damaging you was normal and its just used as an obstacle.

And also Olrok's quarters place is pretty much the way raocow's suppose to go, as there's a door that leads straight to the Coliseum map area, this game just likes having certain rooms with just a single really strong enemy for some reason. It's the same as that one Sword guy back in the church area

FluffiMasta wrote:

I guarantee that you will laugh quite a lot.

dr_kraid wrote:

FluffiMasta wrote:

I guarantee that you will laugh quite a lot.

You'd have to know more than he did to get the joke.

You know... we forgot to warn raocow about the purple save point. It's a good thing he decided to go down that side-shaft instead of the main one.

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ztarwuff wrote:

You know... we forgot to warn raocow about the purple save point. It's a good thing he decided to go down that side-shaft instead of the main one.

raocow doesn't have any of the things that'll allow him to get in there (bat form, extended mist form, gravity boots). It's why I kinda' wish he'd stuck with doing the Colosseum instead, but at least he's covering a pretty good amount of new ground, now.