A2XT: It's Over

[TiKi]

bugs

Does Kood's hitbox count? I'm pretty sure you can modify the height in v7 with PlayerMemSet as well. And since you have to modify all 6 forms separately, it should count as $30! Wait, since you have to modify the Kuribo Shoe offsets too (though I do not know where they would be located) it could technically count for $60! Sixty buggy dollars! Ah ah ah!

[Doctor Shemp]

bugs

Does Kood's hitbox count? I'm pretty sure you can modify the height in v7 with PlayerMemSet as well. And since you have to modify all 6 forms separately, it should count as $30! Wait, since you have to modify the Kuribo Shoe offsets too (though I do not know where they would be located) it could technically count for $60! Sixty buggy dollars! Ah ah ah!

Kood's a pretty nervous guy, so it makes complete sense for him to be hurt when something comes very close to the top of his head without actually touching it. It's psychosomatic damage which is an actual medical concept.

Who says talkhaus games can't be high-concept?

[Sturg]

Yeah, so imo World 6 is probably the weakest world in the game. Due to it having some mediocre levels for the most part and feeling easier than any of the worlds past 3.

[Leet]

Yeah, so imo World 6 is probably the weakest world in the game. Due to it having some mediocre levels for the most part and feeling easier than any of the worlds past 3.

I actually find it to be one of my favorite worlds due to a certain selection of levels, one of which is Take It What Now? and the others we will see in time.

[Sturg]

Take it what Now is probably my least favorite level in the game haha.

Oh well, opinions.

[Leet]

Levels that made me laugh due to unexpectedness tend to be the ones I like more, so the fact that I had run into the obligatory out of nowhere Touhou joke level really made me like it. If I was told about it ahead of time I probably wouldn't like it as much.

[docopoper]

All the worlds feel pretty even to me at this point. They all seem to have two levels I don't like and a lot of levels I do like. Actually having two levels I don't like seems pretty consistent. There's probably about two levels I would consider ehh in each world too.

[Vergalon]

This has been bothering me for a time, and I've decided to just get it out. I'm fully expecting whatever comes of this.

I've noticed far too often that when levels are criticized, both in the comments and here, are far to often left without reasons why it deserves it. I understand that a decent number weren't in favor of my levels, but I've been left with few answers for what could have made them better or what made people dislike them. There are more comments complimenting specific parts versus critiques of specific parts, even though more post criticism. I never expect anything constructive to emerge from the comment section, but I guess that I would expect a little bit more here.

As a member of the talkhaus, involvement in the ASMBXT projects has been the closest thing to bring me out of lurker status, and I enjoyed contributing and revising the levels I made based off of critique during level submission. I fully intend to continue contributing, whether during episode 2 or further out, but being left with criticism without critique is honestly a little frustrating.

I do not ask for any undue attention or special review over what I could have done differently. Just that in the future, when you didn't like some part of this or any other community project, that you think about what made you not like it versus just stating it. It can only help in the future, so that maybe there is more content that you enjoy.

That is all
apparently working a 14 hour day, starting at 4:30 am, 300 miles from home, makes me philosophical

[Doctor Shemp]

Well, ok then, in the order that I thought of them:
1. I don't like Touhou.
2. That second section which requires you to start running before you see the heads that I'm sure I flagged.
3. There's no much flow: most of it seems to go "here's an obstacle, here's a different one, here's one kind of like the first one, here's something different again".
4. That jump that's pretty much designed for Iris.
5. It looks like it was put together without thinking about it beforehand. For example, what's the point of the downwards sharp slope at http://youtu.be/3w96_n1O8ao?list=UUjM-W ... JA#t=4m13s ? It doesn't go anywhere and it doesn't function as a trap because there's no reason to duck at that point and, by the time you reach the ramp, you can clearly see both the correct route and that the ramp goes nowhere.
6. The tower of heads that is extremely difficult to avoid without knowing about it in advance that I'm sure I flagged.
7. Character switch blocks over the midpoint.
8. The music, like all Touhou music, is hyperactive athletic, and the first half isn't at all. This is why "no Touhou music" was strongly suggested for MAGLX.
9. The second half clearly wasn't tested as Demo.
10. I don't like Touhou.
11. Even if I did, the heads would still look out-of-place with everything else.
12. I don't like Touhou.

[Zygl]

I still don't get why "prosecutedt to the full extent of the jam" was messed with. I mean my understanding from when this was brought up in beta testing is it's because it might look like there's an accidental typo in A2XT, but that still seems like an incredibly silly concern given the nature of what A2XT even is (read: the talkhaus just kinda making a thing in SMBX).

Because "prosecuted to the full extent of the jam" can be funny regardless of whether you know the reference or not, whereas "prosecutedt" is only not a typo if you know the reference.

A2XT wasn't meant to be "the talkhaus just kinda making a thing in SMBX". That was ASMBXT. A2XT was meant to be "the talkhaus just kinda making a good thing in SMBX". Typos might as well have glowing text accompanying them saying "we didn't care enough to spellcheck our work", and that's what "prosecutedt" looks like to most people.

Except what something looks like to most people isn't automatically what it is. Whether or not "prosecutedt" is a typo in the context of a DoDonPachi reference isn't contingent on whether or not you've heard of DoDonPachi, just as "colour" isn't a typo just because you don't know how British English works and "discreet" isn't a typo just because I you didn't know it and "discrete" are discrete words.

[Leet]

"not liking touhou" is as (il)legitimate a criticism of an ASMT game as "not liking raocow"

[Doctor Shemp]

I still don't get why "prosecutedt to the full extent of the jam" was messed with. I mean my understanding from when this was brought up in beta testing is it's because it might look like there's an accidental typo in A2XT, but that still seems like an incredibly silly concern given the nature of what A2XT even is (read: the talkhaus just kinda making a thing in SMBX).

Because "prosecuted to the full extent of the jam" can be funny regardless of whether you know the reference or not, whereas "prosecutedt" is only not a typo if you know the reference.

A2XT wasn't meant to be "the talkhaus just kinda making a thing in SMBX". That was ASMBXT. A2XT was meant to be "the talkhaus just kinda making a good thing in SMBX". Typos might as well have glowing text accompanying them saying "we didn't care enough to spellcheck our work", and that's what "prosecutedt" looks like to most people.

Except what something looks like to most people isn't automatically what it is. Whether or not "prosecutedt" is a typo in the context of a DoDonPachi reference isn't contingent on whether or not you've heard of DoDonPachi, just as "colour" isn't a typo just because you don't know how British English works and "discreet" isn't a typo just because I you didn't know it and "discrete" are discrete words.

Dude what? If you can find a variant of English where "prosecutedt" is the correct spelling of "prosecuted" or is an alternate word with a different meaning to "prosecuted" then you'd have a point. If you were to take your argument and stretch it slightly you could say that there's no such thing as typos.

It's reasonable to expect people to know about words, or have the ability to look them up if they don't. That's what dictionaries are for. It's another thing entirely to expect people to know the startup screen of DoDonPachi and connect it with a textbox in a level that doesn't otherwise reference DoDonPachi in a completely separate game.

"Full extent of the jam" is a joke that works regardless of whether you get the reference or not, just as Sheath Courage part deux works whether you know Keith Courage or not. "Prosecutedt" doesn't work unless you know the reference.

[Sturg]

Take It What Now?- Starting Cave world with a decidedly not-cave was kind of not the greatest decision ever. Sure, there's a cave section, but the cave is clearly situated in a random grassland. The difficulty doesn't scream "World 6," either, especially considering what World 5 threw at us. As for the level itself, it exists for the sole purpose of a Touhou joke. The level design actually lends an interesting moment or two with Demo (the part with the pipe that shoots heads upwards is meant to not lead into a normal jump, but Iris can just kind of skip it.) Overall, though. the level feels very empty aside from the heads. It's kind of "Youtube-ish," in a way, like some earlier levels that felt amateurish. The midpoint Iris issue is definitely an issue, and honestly I don't know why Iris is playable here in the first place. Seeing as I don't care for the joke in place, this level doesn't hold a whole lot of charm for me. It's just kind of there.

Take It What Now (Vergalon): Fun fact: I actually used to do this level entirely as Demo in the beginning, which may explain why I had so much trouble clearing those huge gaps until I switched to Iris. Good thing, too, since they're quite unforgivingly large and in between some really tough enemies (e.g. Mega Sanae-kkuri, the Yukkuri Pseudo-Totem). As for the escape from the Great Marisa Deluge, the opposite held true; turn's out Demo's much quicker on her feet than Iris, which probably explains why the latter is considered relatively weak to her sis.

Also, good thing that random generous Reimu-kkuri near the midpoint gave me the name of the other song used. Under normal circumstances there's absolutely no way to use the music cheat without getting reamed by the Marisakabe (unless you have really awesome reflexes).

Just a few examples of criticisms seen in this thread as of yet.

Not everyone has to go into detail why they liked/disliked a level, if they feel it isn't necessary to indicate why they liked a level or not then they shouldn't.

It's usually when people ask for criticism is when they'll get it.

[Zygl]

Dude what? If you can find a variant of English where "prosecutedt" is the correct spelling of "prosecuted" or is an alternate word with a different meaning to "prosecuted" then you'd have a point. If you were to take your argument and stretch it slightly you could say that there's no such thing as typos.

in the context of a DoDonPachi reference

Of course it's a typo, that's like half the joke. But if it's a deliberate misspelling in reference to it, that's not a typo on your part. And somebody not getting the joke doesn't change that.

[Tenlade]

apparently my pc couldnt handle sheathe's amazing level yesterday, because something in it fried the moment i tried watching it (currently on an older pc atm).

world 6 is pretty alright, and a lack of lava is fine by me because lava caves are visually uninteresting and lava sucks.

[Vergalon]

Not everyone has to go into detail why they liked/disliked a level, if they feel it isn't necessary to indicate why they liked a level or not then they shouldn't.

I didn't say they needed to go into full detail, nor did I suggest it as a requirement. I only suggested it for the benefit of both parties, and that I feel that an opinion stated without reason is a wasted opportunity when it comes to review. Even if the author doesn't see the post, it could still help others by seeing what could be a good or poor idea, leading by example kinda.


As for the rest of it, I do recognize the downfalls of my level, they keep jabbing me when I think of the midpoint, which was changed the initial testing without consideration that the player as iris couldn't change out easy, and for the wall-risa, which I am face desking now for not putting a delay or something on it. (I think I may have tried to hard for the shock factor for the first encounter). I'm still not sure of the comments on the level not being tested with X, because I see both Iris and Demo being mentioned in that context

[SAJewers]

I still don't get why "prosecutedt to the full extent of the jam" was messed with. I mean my understanding from when this was brought up in beta testing is it's because it might look like there's an accidental typo in A2XT, but that still seems like an incredibly silly concern given the nature of what A2XT even is (read: the talkhaus just kinda making a thing in SMBX).
Also I'm rather curious as to the line of thinking that led to "hey, let's make this leek disappear when the P-switch ends with absolutely no indication that it's going to disappear when the P-switch ends."

Honestly, I thought I had fix that to be the incorrect spelling again. Not sure what happened there.

Yeah, so imo World 6 is probably the weakest world in the game. Due to it having some mediocre levels for the most part and feeling easier than any of the worlds past 3.

Really? I thought World 7 was far easier.

[Vergalon]

Haha, man, those Yukkuris were the first ever sprite replacements I made for SMBX.
Good old times.

Gah, I am blind. Thank you again for making those. I swear that originally there was a 'thank you' yukkuri at the start for you, but maybe it got taken out after I'd submitted it. ._.;

[YelseyKing]

Well, ok then, in the order that I thought of them:
(Long list)

Every time you post, I find myself liking you even more.

[Crow]

Really? I thought World 7 was far easier.

The "main" path of World 7 is probably overall easier than world 3, but then you have to take in account that the other path has Spooky Surprise Ghost House on it. It's probably overall harder than world 6 but not overall harder than world 5.

[Sturg]

I didn't say they needed to go into full detail, nor did I suggest it as a requirement. I only suggested it for the benefit of both parties, and that I feel that an opinion stated without reason is a wasted opportunity when it comes to review. Even if the author doesn't see the post, it could still help others by seeing what could be a good or poor idea, leading by example kinda.

No, but you are expecting that people on the talkhaus will give specific critiques and such, which isn't always the case. I also think my opinion has already being repeated by others and believe it would be repetitive to state what's already been said, not to mention you said you now realize identifiable flaws in the level for which you can recognize next time. The 'opportunity' would not be wasted as everything that I could had spoken of would've already been said and done.

[The Doctor]

I'm stuck in World 7's Castle. I need help.

So I just started Castle of the World, and I can't figure out what to do. I go through the pipe and I'm just standing on the sky. There's some cloud platforms over to the right, but I can't make the jump with Demo and the level forces you to be Demo. I think the pipe was supposed to launch me over there, but that's not happening. I can talk to that guy over there, but he doesn't do anything.

One of the updates broke some levels. The newest one should fix them.

Yeah, applying the update fixed my problem. Thanks.

[Vergalon]

No, but you are expecting that people on the talkhaus will give specific critiques and such, which isn't always the case. I also think my opinion has already being repeated by others and believe it would be repetitive to state what's already been said, not to mention you said you now realize identifiable flaws in the level for which you can recognize next time. The 'opportunity' would not be wasted as everything that I could had spoken of would've already been said and done.

I wouldn't say I expect critique, but that I encourage critique. And reinforcement of critique can give weight to an opinion or a different take on the same issue. I think we may just be in disagreement. Even though this is a casual board, I still think that we can make great use of this thread to make future games better with a little bit of context added, without taking the fun out

[Sturg]

I wouldn't say I expect critique, but that I encourage critique.

So I guess this statement:

I never expect anything constructive to emerge from the comment section, but I guess that I would expect a little bit more here.

is talking about something else?

And reinforcement of critique can give weight to an opinion or a different take on the same issue. I think we may just be in disagreement. Even though this is a casual board, I still think that we can make great use of this thread to make future games better with a little bit of context added, without taking the fun out

I agree, with the exception that I believe that my statement saying that I don't need to say anything as it's already been said is good enough to offer reinforcement to the issue.

[sedron]

This has been bothering me for a time, and I've decided to just get it out. I'm fully expecting whatever comes of this.

*Level Design Stuff*

That is all
apparently working a 14 hour day, starting at 4:30 am, 300 miles from home, makes me philosophical

As others have said, it's not a good idea to expect actual critiques from everyone. Some people just want to throw an opinion in when they post here. The majority of us aren't exactly qualified for this, either. I know I'd love to make a living off level design, but until I get into game design as a career choice it's just a hobby. So, when someone says they do or don't care for your work and they don't really elaborate, don't take it too hard. A number of us are also totally willing to give you more thoughts when you ask (myself included. I already talked a good deal about the levels you contributed, but if you would like me to go even further in detail about them just let me know and I can PM some stuff to you or something. Asking isn't a bad thing, by any means.)

I didn't personally care much for Dense Jangle or Take It What Now, but there are people that did and there are things both levels did right anyway. I sincerely hope you keep contributing to the community projects, as it seems like you're learning so you can only get better.