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Re: A Second Mario Thing: better than a butt

Postby MrDeePay » 5 years ago

S.N.N. wrote:It is leaps and bounds above any other collab I've played. You told me raocow was "upset" that it turned out better than A2MT and that he didn't agree with a lot of the early decisions of it (which is really weird, considering he stopped posting literally before level signups started .. but I digress). I'm still hoping he doesn't unintentionally jab the thing when it isn't deserved.
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Postby raocow » 5 years ago

I was young and stupid back then, what can I say.

Now at least you can remove the first part ?

edit: I cared wayyyy too much about certain things back then though, hahaha, wow.
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Postby alex2 » 5 years ago

raocow doesn't know what the hell he wants
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Postby AUS » 5 years ago

That was '11cow, this is '14cow. lolo
edit: double ninja'd including by raocow who basically said the same thing??
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Postby jayScribble » 5 years ago

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jayScribble wrote:"Magical Lava Zone" was a decent level, but compared to it's neighbors just a vanilla level.
"just a vanilla level"

how shallow has this community become when something becomes boring if it doesn't have custom shit out the ass
i don't really see how jayscribble = the community but yeah that is a pretty crap attitude to have, especially when we've seen how great a level can be when it's "just vanilla"
I would blame poor wording and lack of thinking on my end for this misunderstanding: I was meant to say that technically that level was vanilla, but I forgot to add on that the level is good in that way.
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Postby SyStemkraSh5642 » 5 years ago

just found this thread now and saw 65 pages to skim read through

Moonlit Mountain was a dull level. Don't really have much to contribute.

I've got a question to ask the people in this thread though. Is there a possibility for an A3MT? If there is, at least we know what not to do.

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Postby raocow » 5 years ago

the plan is to wait for Jump to be released and then replacing the graphics without telling anyone involved with Jump.
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Postby alex2 » 5 years ago

SyStemkraSh5642 wrote:I've got a question to ask the people in this thread though. Is there a possibility for an A3MT? If there is, at least we know what not to do.
I'm going to say no for now.

If people want to do it then can they please wait a while? A2MT was started before raocow was even done with ASMT, while everyone was still burnt out. It was a big reason why A2MT didn't start very well.
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Postby Doctor Shemp » 5 years ago

SyStemkraSh5642 wrote:just found this thread now and saw 65 pages to skim read through

Moonlit Mountain was a dull level. Don't really have much to contribute.

I've got a question to ask the people in this thread though. Is there a possibility for an A3MT? If there is, at least we know what not to do.
After seeing all the acrimony and general dysfunction between the A2MT "core team" members that gets dredged up here every two or three pages, why would you want to try? And even if you did, why would you want to name it A3MT and acknowledge that A2MT actually happened? If you were Hollywood and desperate to continue a franchise with a failed entry, the SOP is not to make another sequel but to reboot it. However, that's essentially already been done here. A good case can be made for ASMBXT being a reboot of the whole series, even if it doesn't ignore the previous continuity, because it doesn't draw attention to it anyway. It's kind of like the new Star Trek movies: they're technically not reboots, but they totally are reboots in spirit and practice. Granted, ASMBXT was pretty shitty in parts, but so was ASMT, and neither of them were shitty enough to be dead on arrival. It's possible that one of the A2XT episodes might be shitty enough to can that projected series and leave open space for another reboot, possibly in SMW again, but until then it's obvious which way the Demo games current is running: towards SMBX and away from SMW. SMW collaborative hacking on the Talkhaus is now JUMP's domain.

Oh yeah and the level played today was ridiculously obtuse. Is it that hard to see the ground on a monitor in the very dark section? I watched the episode on my phone and it took me a while to see that the ground was actually a different colour to the background.

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Postby Grounder » 5 years ago

SMBX also doesn't have filesize limitations, so there's that too.
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Postby alex2 » 5 years ago

Grounder wrote:SMBX also doesn't have filesize limitations, so there's that too.
technically neither does SMW if you know how
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Postby Grounder » 5 years ago

alex2 wrote:
Grounder wrote:SMBX also doesn't have filesize limitations, so there's that too.
technically neither does SMW if you know how
That must not have been around during A2MT's production, then, as there has been some talk of limitations of that nature
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Postby alex2 » 5 years ago

you have to start with an "unlimited" ROM size if you want to do it
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Re: A Second Mario Thing: better than a butt

Postby S.N.N. » 5 years ago

just don't do a3mt ever. i don't even feel like defending it, but i promise it's a bad idea. jump will fill the void just fine.

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Postby Sebby19 » 5 years ago

Besides, A3MT will be his last LP.
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Postby AUS » 5 years ago

Sebby19 wrote:Besides, A3MT will be his last LP.
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Postby Willhart » 5 years ago

"Where am I?" was very pretty level with lots of background details. Different graphics went together well with the recolored enemies. I don't remember where I have seen that tileset before.

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Postby S.N.N. » 5 years ago

^ The former was in one of cyphermur9t's hacks I believe (the cave), and the castle tileset was used in SMWCP's last castle.

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Postby Mineyl » 5 years ago

Oh man, the atmosphere in the first half of that level with the music and the cave graphics and such. Me likey.
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Postby KobaBeach » 5 years ago

The cave graphics are from Demon's Crest and the castle graphics are from Ardy Lightfoot.

ASMWCP and cyphermur9t's Mario Gives Up used the castle graphics in some castle stages, while one of HAIMARI's Hyper まりワールド hacks (Hyper V or Hyper VI, can't remember now) used the cave graphics, I think.
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Postby ano0maly » 5 years ago

S.N.N. wrote:
alex2 wrote:A huge part of the reason why there isn't much soul in A2MT is because of all of the videos raocow made inviting outside people to make levels.
This isn't intended to be rude, but he really should have stayed out of it. I remember genuinely getting frustrated at the several A2MT videos he would put up which was done in an attempt to help, but in reality hurt it more than anything (also, those deadline videos, which he apparently arbitrarily set .. I remember you complaining to me about him doing that).
Personally, I think he should have either
1) just stay out of it entirely like he would with a project he's not part of, or
2) actually serve in a specific managerial role.

I honestly don't know what his role was in the project, besides being one of the level contributors. Sure, he was the "inspiration", but didn't we do that once already? If this was supposed to be a serious project, he should have tried to make it his own and play a major involvement role in its completion, even if it foregoes a "blind LP".

About those videos, alex said me that the problem was that they don't really mean anything. First of all, take a look at all the A2MT videos raocow posted (warning: super long list):
A2MT announcements:

May 26, 2010
A2MT level submission mode ENGAGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaTBX93n-4Q

Sep 24, 2010
a little reminder (a2mt)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEBWKfuOX2w

Dec 6, 2010
A2MT situational update, yo yo yo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSXYvelZjkU

Jan 23, 2011
what the heck are we doing again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpVssN6DGwg

Jan 24, 2011
Head's Up - a2mt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-TDLeX9mJY

Jan 30, 2011
Head's Up - the second part
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk148H8AAho

Feb 14, 2011
a2mt; in a post head's up world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrFZKJeX_v8

Apr 19, 2011
Stuff about stuff (a2mt chat)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FMIdzK0nCE

May 3, 2011
a2mt rebirth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Z5dEXtCl8

May 12, 2011
a2mt rebirth - reminder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJKR-MLCi0U

May 26, 2011
a2mt - rebirth phase b
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXDJwjQ7Liw

Jun 8, 2011
doo - doo - doo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IukXdkpsfeI

Jun 23, 2011
everybody gotta a2mt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udg6Ddr4W98

Jul 7, 2011
caring, sharing, and a2mt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkJBHUhu3ms

Jul 15, 2011
a2mt NEW HORIZONS (august 4th)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ob7TOda0q0

Aug 5, 2011
no gimmicks in this video - new milestone August 25th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzDNsWvi-D0

Aug 26, 2011
SEPTEMBER 15 - the most exciting of milestones
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsW6RBgqVGE

Sep 16, 2011
OCTOBER 6TH - new a2mt milestone - CHAOS SNOWFLAKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXkq6A906CE

Oct 29, 2011
FINAL DEADLINE (a2mt) November 17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbgAHQgG3Vw

Jan 8, 2012
why has the a2mt forum activity just straight up died these days?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAfgXt45Jm0

Aug 18, 2012
by popular request: a2mt status
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVfY3SFQJVw

Mar 24, 2013
a2mt - the state of beings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcNg8EameTs

All the ridiculous countdown videos:

Nov 2, 2011
boud boud boud boud
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGae-ZYrdx8

Nov 3, 2011
warning: two weeks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LDNogmb7Y4

Nov 4, 2011
pup pup pup
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpiW83JhK2s

Nov 5, 2011
12 days - also, what this is all about, for the folks at home
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vld2Cp0B7NA

Nov 6, 2011
.... ..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRJ03wW-vuM

Nov 7, 2011
dom ree dom dom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NR0SiogSSs

Nov 8, 2011
a straight foward video (for a straight foward era)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gs090sSQ4c8

Nov 9, 2011
видеоигры!?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPjcEYa0Mbw

Nov 10, 2011
nah nah nah nah nah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYUHKcCAz3g

Nov 11, 2011
deilnegeiW sad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq00jP3j-u4

Nov 12, 2011
don't call the cops, they will call you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ3UpiRq6mY

Nov 13, 2011
klc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3_pwDNUXF4

Nov 14, 2011
arpeggio between cosmic void and starlight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maPsNufDngc

Nov 15, 2011
deus ex delirium
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCDmVy7J88k

Nov 16, 2011
final step.video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Ws65mPVuo

Also, personal level test stuff:

May 28, 2010
a2mt - idea test - automn storm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv32QxQ1jK8

May 30, 2010
hey guys guess who's level will probably be endgame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3liqjb5WB4

Nov 4, 2010
woo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY7ZCgiynUE

Nov 10, 2010
puzzle time with a2mt!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym1ZA8IckB8

Dec 15, 2010
no falling!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km04-lrNPKo

Dec 15, 2010
sound thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zfYrhu7GH8
I hope I got them all because it's hard to go look for them; there's no A2MT pre-LP playlist as far as I'm aware.

In hindsight, these announcements are hard to understand and kind of misleading. I think they don't give the viewers an accurate picture of how making the project actually works.
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Re: A Second Mario Thing: better than a butt

Postby raocow » 5 years ago

I'll agree to that.

The good news is that I learned from this! For a2xt I follow along with the development and give my opinion on certain things but that's about it.
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Postby Sebby19 » 5 years ago

Wow, that was a long list. I didn't realize there were so many, since they never appeared on the main raocow.com website.
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Postby alex2 » 5 years ago

ano0maly wrote:I honestly don't know what his role was in the project
His role in the project was suggesting dumb shit to put into the hack.

Everyone who wasn't an ASMer loved it, but jesus he pissed me off so much.
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Postby Septentrion Pleiades » 5 years ago

ano0maly wrote:The list
As one of the people who came to help as a result of the countdown in particular, it was misleading. Those videos seemed to mean that all that was needed was more levels in replacement of those who failed. Everyone was a lot more critical of those later designers, especially with the level by Tenta. I've even gotten a "too easy" for one of my levels. This group goal was to turn out levels in replacement of all the failed slots, and that is what happened. Systemkrash even took lead of the project, not knowing what the hell when it came to the mess the proceeded him.

Much of the core team that were there originally didn't do enough. Uninvested users that were grabbing level slots came in and slowed the project to a halt so a deadline was needed. After that, everyone not involved from the beginning was under the impression that "A2MT was coming."
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