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Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 22:05
by SAJewers
Yeah. Honestly, you should've done the stars as a 2nd loop or world-by-world cleanup, rather than attempt them immediately after you finish the level.

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 23:29
by Dark Hunter
Mr. the Cow, it is indeed possible to dodge the Dengrahx's giant laser beam while in the Fortress. I think it's actually necessary for the fight in Hard Mode.

When you charge up the Earthquaker move, Fortress Virs crouches down. If you do this when the Dengrahx activates its laser, it won't hit.



(EDIT) Oh, he did see the prompt. Guess the above spoiler isn't a spoiler then.

I'm a little sad that Boki's line "So... um... did that really just happen?" got taken out of the ending cutscene in this version, because I think it was amazingly appropriate for that fight.

Brand-new content coming tomorrow, guys! :D

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 01:48
by Dragon Fogel
So for anyone else trying to gold-star this level, here's the trick to handling the first wave of enemies:

Just run far back and shoot. The enemy shots despawn if you get far enough away, and Fortress Virs' attacks don't get in the way either. From the winning run, it looks like raocow had caught onto the idea of "keep your distance", but he hadn't taken it all the way like I did.



Against the core, one of raocow's main problems was always trying to dodge the double-laser. It's easier to just make use of the safe spot for that attack, although in fairness it's pretty hard to judge exactly where that's going to be.

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 03:50
by Plutia
Dragon Fogel wrote: So for anyone else trying to gold-star this level, here's the trick to handling the first wave of enemies:

Just run far back and shoot. The enemy shots despawn if you get far enough away, and Fortress Virs' attacks don't get in the way either. From the winning run, it looks like raocow had caught onto the idea of "keep your distance", but he hadn't taken it all the way like I did.



Against the core, one of raocow's main problems was always trying to dodge the double-laser. It's easier to just make use of the safe spot for that attack, although in fairness it's pretty hard to judge exactly where that's going to be.
anyone who knows about the dodge *always* tries rolling through them and making it harder on themselves, I've not seen a single person not do it

weird how that works

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 03:58
by Sebby19
I hope I'm not too late posting this

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 17:47
by Dragon Fogel
Plutia wrote: anyone who knows about the dodge *always* tries rolling through them and making it harder on themselves, I've not seen a single person not do it

weird how that works
Well, the first time you see it that makes sense, it's not clear that there's going to be a safe spot. That's what happened to me.

But I learned my lesson after getting burned when they switched direction.

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 21:48
by SAJewers
The 2nd level is definitely a lot easier if rely on kicking ice for the ground enemies, and use the flame pickups to deal damage to the flying enemies.

I found from here on out (and really for quite a bit of the game) that you want to keep any solo weapons you're given, so maybe keep that in mind.

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 22:43
by Azure Lazuline
If you wanna stop going for the damage targets, you can! It's pretty noticeable that you have way more fun in the initial runs and then you're kinda just doing the stars because of sunk cost. It's up to you, and there's plenty of content either way (4 story modes, boss rush, endless, etc) so there's no need to stretch the videos if that's what it's for. Either way, the game's getting harder now, so good luck!

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 23:01
by BobisOnlyBob
Azure Lazuline wrote: If you wanna stop going for the damage targets, you can! It's pretty noticeable that you have way more fun in the initial runs and then you're kinda just doing the stars because of sunk cost. It's up to you, and there's plenty of content either way (4 story modes, boss rush, endless, etc) so there's no need to stretch the videos if that's what it's for. Either way, the game's getting harder now, so good luck!
I appreciate your enthusiastic belief that you can deter raocow from pursuing optional goals like an excitable dog pursues a ball

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 00:07
by Dark Hunter
Today: ice physics... but not how you expected them!

How does that work though, does Boki have tiny blades on the bottom of her foot-crystals?

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 00:49
by BobisOnlyBob
She has crystal claws, so... yes!

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 05:22
by Kleetus
Dark Hunter wrote: Today: ice physics... but not how you expected them!
Most games make ice physics primarily as a an obstacle, secondarily as a level gimmick. But here it's primarily a level gimmick.
Reminds me of Super Mario Galaxy.

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 21:45
by SAJewers
Yeah, I figured that raocow would have trouble here. There's quite a bit more of a puzzle aspect in 11.5 (and arguably world 12, but in a different way).

Also,

the boss

of 11.5 is maybe the best in Normal Mode.

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 21:52
by Joseph Staleknight
The weirdest part of the owls in today's vid is that they're still described as penguins in the database and level editor, just like the actual spherical penguins that are (presumably) their descendants.

Then again, "Penguin Control" doesn't quite have the same ring to it...

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 21:55
by Azure Lazuline
Image

https://twitter.com/Piesonscreation/sta ... 9086958592

Just dropping this here since it showed up on twitter and I think it's relevant!

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 15 Mar 2019, 23:29
by Dark Hunter
And the ice world is gone as soon as it arrived!

Which is fine by me, I often find ice worlds boring. Though I do love Boki's skating around on the ice like she's right at home in it.

(Hang on a second, is there ice on Aisnoda? Where did Boki learn to skate and do spin-jumps and stuff?)

I do love how most of the Constructs in the ancient ruins are older versions of modern constructs.

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 16 Mar 2019, 00:04
by Piesonscreations
Azure Lazuline wrote: Just dropping this here since it showed up on twitter and I think it's relevant!
Oh hey, that's the thing I made! I was wondering if I should post it here, but I guess that's been taken care of now haha
I wanted to draw something like this when I saw raocow fight the giant penguin a few videos ago.

I'm still mesmerized by the particle effects in this game.

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 16 Mar 2019, 00:49
by Azure Lazuline
Hey, you're here! You should join the discord room, I posted the penguin art there and there was a solid 2 pages of everyone saying it's great!

And yeah, the ice world is super short since I wanted to mess with ice physics and super pretty backgrounds, but I know that altering the controls really annoys some people. It was fun to make a world with two distinct halves like this!

One of my favorite tiny details that nobody notices - check the map in the intro of Frozen Fiend (or on the level select screen before you beat it), and it shows the world continuing to the right, so people wouldn't get suspicious. After you beat the boss, it gets updated to show the levels going downwards.

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 16 Mar 2019, 00:51
by Voltgloss
SAJewers wrote:
Also,

the boss

of 11.5 is maybe the best in Normal Mode.
I share this opinion.

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 16 Mar 2019, 04:15
by Count Mohawk
Listening to raocow's comment today on how he thinks Yoggval is "helping" Boki get to the center of the Temple of Power made me wonder something: The Constructs are magical constructions made by the Cybers, which makes them mostly "evil"... but are there "good" Constructs out there as well? Presumably they'd be made by friendly Entanmas if so. Also, Arikan comes to mind as, if not outright "good", at least a relatively neutral figure.

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 16 Mar 2019, 16:01
by Kleetus
"You are SO beautiful though..."
Thus begins the tragic love story of a man and a shape shifting face robot.

Upon hearing raocow call the moon virs "super snake" the name of the weapon shadow of Apophis makes even more sense. I've noticed in pop-culture the Egyptian chaos snake god dude is usually called by the Greek name Apophis instead of the Egyptian Apep, sometimes even when the rest of the god squad is called by their Egyptian names. I chalk this up to Apophis sounding menacing, whereas Apep is something you'd name your cat.
Count Mohawk wrote: The Constructs are magical constructions made by the Cybers, which makes them mostly "evil"... but are there "good" Constructs out there as well? Presumably they'd be made by friendly Entanmas if so.


You are right about that. In the expanded lore form blog posts and web comics, there are friendly constructs. One semi-reoccurring character is a treasure hunter who owns one. Friendly constructs are implied to be few and far in between; for Joe on street there are more cost effective options if you want a robot assistant and/or autonomous weapon.

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 16 Mar 2019, 21:50
by SAJewers
Those shield guys in the 2nd level are actually quite easy to defeat since they pretty much instantly die if you drop a cube on them.

Also, if you had trouble understanding the third level, good luck in world 12.

EDIT: How long does everyone think it'll take him to figure out the next level?

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 16 Mar 2019, 22:26
by kitikami
CURSED!

This game is just full of wonderful things.

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 17 Mar 2019, 22:42
by Voltgloss
The first time I finished today's boss, I was literally left mouth agape, staring at the screen in shock at everything I'd just seen.

I can't remember the last time a game achieved that with me.

Well done. So very well done.

Re: Copy Kitty - Imitation is the besterest form of flattery

Posted: 17 Mar 2019, 22:50
by kitikami
It's remarkable how a game whose entire concept revolves around copying your enemies still manages to surprise you with what you can do. The whole resurrection phase was amazing, but cursing the dark-phoenix hunter and watching it helplessly sprinkle snakes everywhere really put this fight over the top.