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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 2

Postby Sturg » 1 year ago

Like, I get that you're cautious of me since I seemed like I was faking to not to know how the voting process worked, but that was because I actually didn't know how the voting process worked.

Vote for me if you like, but that was genuine confusion.
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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 2

Postby Supershroom » 1 year ago

ye, it's way overdue for me to post; I can focus here now since M6 at 8flight's server is over, though I should have indeed focused earlier

first thing I saw, Tain ... don't make "no lynch" votes a thing and don't cancel the lynch if a relative majority of players picks that one. Not even if an absolute majority picks it. It shouldn't be a thing. If someone places a vote, the lynch happens, and votes can be changed but not retracted, that's standard procedure.

And let's not already do the common mistake of lynching inactives, please, and there's also not much inherently wrong with pushing for a lynch - after all, we have to lynch.
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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 2

Postby Tain » 1 year ago

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  • Sturg - Holy
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Supershroom wrote: don't make "no lynch" votes a thing and don't cancel the lynch if a relative majority of players picks that one.
I will re-evaluate this after the game. I do not think it makes sense to let a single player decide that the town will lynch. But I will think it over.
Supershroom wrote: votes can be changed but not retracted
No.

These rules may be normal for you, but they are not for me. You're welcome to PM me with reasons why you think these rules should be, but saying they are standard isn't going to cut it.

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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 2

Postby bbbrrr_it_cold » 1 year ago

Supershroom wrote: don't make "no lynch" votes a thing and don't cancel the lynch if a relative majority of players picks that one. Not even if an absolute majority picks it. It shouldn't be a thing. If someone places a vote, the lynch happens, and votes can be changed but not retracted, that's standard procedure.
Actually, from what I've played (especially on this forum), No Lynch voting is relatively standard. And even if that isn't the case, outright demanding something change because it isn't what you like/are used to comes off as pretty petty.

And let's not already do the common mistake of lynching inactives, please,
Now, this might not be a great strategy for this game in particular, but I've always been of the belief that it is really hard to feel bad about removing "inactives," especially in a game like this. First, it is completely possible that they aren't inactive but merely strategically quiet. I myself don't always buy this idea, but other people aren't inherently wrong for thinking it. And secondly, if the town is going to randomly get rid of someone, I'd be more fine with it being someone who isn't participating - isn't playing the actual game - if there isn't a better target.

and there's also not much inherently wrong with pushing for a lynch - after all, we have to lynch.
I mean, in theory, no, there isn't. But when people aren't particularly suspicious? When you have minimal info to go on? When there don't appear to be any good candidates and you could just as easily take out the only remaining blue instead of a red? That's when I take issue with it being presented as our only course of action.

In whatever case, I am still willing to vote for someone I actually find suspicious today. I want to point out that my whole stance yesterday wasn't about being opposed to lynching in general - it was about being opposed to lynches when relatively minimal evidence (if any) is presented for them. And part of that is probably because I was the first one voted for, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 2

Postby Supershroom » 1 year ago

Tain wrote:These rules may be normal for you, but they are not for me. You're welcome to PM me with reasons why you think these rules should be, but saying they are standard isn't going to cut it.
That's how it goes for SMBX.org (and for 8flight's server too). Could be different for the big stages like mafiascum, though on mafiascum I think lynches are mandatory anyway or at least people always throw around random votes on the first days.
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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 2

Postby Tain » 1 year ago

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  • Sturg - Holy
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Day 2 will end in ~36 hours
stop. If you want to talk about the rules of the game, either PM me or do it in the signup thread.

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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 2

Postby Tain » 1 year ago

Tain wrote: Game 2 - Night 3

Players
  • 8flight
  • bbbrrr_it_cold
  • Holy
  • Ignoritus
  • pholtos
  • RedMageSusie
  • Sorel
  • Sturg
  • Supershroom
  • Voltgloss
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  • 2 Mafia Goons (1 special)
  • 8 Townies (1 Sheriff, 1 Tracker)
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Sturg was lynched by holy, Night 3 has begun. please PM your night actions those who have them

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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Night 3

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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Night 3

Postby Supershroom » 1 year ago

Posting again to show that I haven't forgotten.

My sole intuition says something about brrr_it_cold, though I need to look further again.

Remaining blue, if you spot a mafioso, come forth with it immediately. It's worth taking out one of them this way.
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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 2

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Game 2 - Night 3

Players
  • 8flight
  • bbbrrr_it_cold
  • Holy
  • Ignoritus
  • pholtos
  • RedMageSusie
  • Sorel
  • Sturg
  • Supershroom
  • Voltgloss
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  • 2 Mafia Goons (1 special)
  • 8 Townies (1 Sheriff, 1 Tracker)

Summary
Night 1 - RMS was killed
Day 1 - No lynch
Night 2 - Sorel was killed
Day 2 - Sturg was lynched

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Night 3 will end in ~24 hours

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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 3

Postby Tain » 1 year ago

Game 2 - Day 3

Players
  • 8flight
  • bbbrrr_it_cold
  • Holy
  • Ignoritus
  • pholtos
  • RedMageSusie
  • Sorel
  • Sturg
  • Supershroom
  • Voltgloss
Setup
  • 2 Mafia Goons (1 special)
  • 8 Townies (1 Sheriff, 1 Tracker)

Summary
Night 1 - RMS was killed
Day 1 - No lynch
Night 2 - Sorel was killed
Day 2 - Sturg was lynched
Night 3 - 8flight was killed

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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 3

Postby Ignoritus » 1 year ago

Random Lynch

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Lynch Holy
for now unless anyone has any info or anything new comes to light today.
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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 3

Postby Supershroom » 1 year ago

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Lynch bbbrrr_it_cold
following the very first "lead" that existed
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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 3

Postby bbbrrr_it_cold » 1 year ago

Supershroom wrote:

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Lynch bbbrrr_it_cold
following the very first "lead" that existed
Is this in reference to what Voltgloss had said when he initially voted for me day one, or is this in reference to when you said I was suspicious?
Either way, I think that even with the quotes "lead" is a very misleading term.

In any case, I just got back from a weekend away, expecting to see a bunch of discussion. And yet, there's really been none today, just like there was almost none yesterday. Kind of sad, if you ask me, especially since that's one of our main ways of attempting to find mafia and our remaining blue hasn't said anything to help us out (and perhaps hasn't even found anything super useful - the tracker could have turned up nothing even by investigating the mafia if they investigated the wrong person). So I don't know. I do think we should lynch today, but I want to wait in hopes of more actual discussion.

I think I'm most suspicious of Volt and Holy right now, but that's hard to say, especially because Holy's vote yesterday is my main reason for the suspicion...but that could also be just due to the lack of discussion. I'm still suspicious of Volt for pushing so hard day 1 (and also since 8-flight is gone and that could be for his vote day one, even though I'm not one to buy the whole "mafia revenge kill" argument because it seems too obvious at times). Again though, I'm hoping for more discussion before I actually put down a vote.
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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 3

Postby Tain » 1 year ago

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  • bbbrrr_it_cold - Supershroom
  • Holy - Ignoritus
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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 3

Postby pholtos » 1 year ago

I'd like to apologize also for being semi-away recently. Been recovering from a fairly taxing endeavor that I attempted recently, which didn't work out.

I'm still mildly suspicious of Supershroom personally but then again that may just be residual from day 1. Holy also seems semi-suspicious for being basically the only one to vote on day 2, but then again I can't fault him for that since I wasn't exactly available at the time.
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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 3

Postby bbbrrr_it_cold » 1 year ago

Alright, so if the day is going to end in around 24 hours, I'd rather not die.
In lieu of any other discussion and in lieu of any other votes, I am going to do the following.

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Lynch: Holy
Totally willing to change that if we have have a discussion about it and it seems like there is a better target, but I'd prefer to not die if it is all the same to everyone else.
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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 3

Postby Tain » 1 year ago

Votes
  • bbbrrr_it_cold - Supershroom
  • Holy - Ignoritus, bbbrrr_it_cold
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Rest in peace Holy.

Night 4 has begun.

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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 3

Postby Ignoritus » 1 year ago

How are tied votes being handled? Depending on how they're handled it may be over already.
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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 3

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Mafia Game 2 - Night 4

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  • bbbrrr_it_cold
  • Holy
  • Ignoritus
  • pholtos
  • RedMageSusie
  • Sorel
  • Sturg
  • Supershroom
  • Voltgloss
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Ignoritus wrote: How are tied votes being handled? Depending on how they're handled it may be over already.
Tain wrote: But in case of a tie, there will be a random lynch; there will never be a random no lynch.
Night will end once all night actions have been submitted.

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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 4

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Mafia Game 2 - Day 4

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  • Holy
  • Ignoritus
  • pholtos
  • RedMageSusie
  • Sorel
  • Sturg
  • Supershroom
  • Voltgloss
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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 4

Postby Ignoritus » 1 year ago

I'm Tracker and I have tracked every remaining player with the exception of Voltglass. Not a single one targeted anyone. Either

A. Voltglass is mafia.
or B. There is a Mafia Ninja

Since we are 2:2 with Mafia to town at this point, ultimately this will come down to dumb luck on tied lynches. However, my one fellow townie, I know how we can assure that our odds don't dip any lower.

Rather simply: everyone vote for the person following you on the player list. With a random selection from the votes for two mafia and two players, there is a 50:50 shot of lynching a mafia vs a player. If anyone refuses to vote for their designated person then we know for sure they're mafia, and the two mafia will ultimately have to reveal themselves and face us head on in a game of luck. Should we win this round, they'll get a kill tonight and we'll have a similar 50:50 shot next round of taking the win.

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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 4

Postby pholtos » 1 year ago

That's actually fairly sound logic at this point in the game, although leaving things down to luck is sorta...
Although I guess there's no choice at this point.

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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 4

Postby bbbrrr_it_cold » 1 year ago

Welp, I do agree that, at this stage, this seems like the best plan we've really got since luck needs to be a factor anyway.

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Re: Mafia Game 2 - Day 4

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Mafia Game 2 - Day 4

Votes
  • Ignoritus - bbbrrr_it_cold
  • pholtos - Ignoritus
  • Voltgloss - pholtos
  • No Vote - Voltgloss
Players
  • 8flight
  • bbbrrr_it_cold
  • Holy
  • Ignoritus
  • pholtos
  • RedMageSusie
  • Sorel
  • Sturg
  • Supershroom
  • Voltgloss
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