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my mom made this amazing dish with chicken, mushrooms, cream of mushroom soup, garlic, wheat noodles, and spinach
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Oh was there still an argument? I couldn't tell to be honest.
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Nah mane, this is an argument free zone right now bby
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I hope it's over.

After all, you can't really top a black hole.



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InsaneIntentions1 wrote:my mom made this amazing dish with chicken, mushrooms, cream of mushroom soup, garlic, wheat noodles, and spinach
Damn it, you made my stomach growl!
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InsaneIntentions1 wrote:my mom made this amazing dish with chicken, mushrooms, cream of mushroom soup, garlic, wheat noodles, and spinach
can i have like a recipe
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Can't tell if that's sarcasm
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InsaneIntentions1 wrote:Can't tell if that's sarcasm
why would that be sarcasm?
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no i actually want a recipe
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You'll need fresh chopped garlic, fresh sliced mushrooms, fresh chopped basil, a bag of spinach, 1/2 packet of lipton onion soup, large can of campbells mushroom soup, moore's hickory marinade sauce, thin spaghetti noodles, chicken strips, olive oil, and chicken broth. First use a medium sauce pan add olive oil, garlic, mushrooms cook on medium for about a minute, add hickory sauce, lipton onion soup, and spinach cook until spinach and mushrooms are done. Season chicken and cook on grill, cook thin spaghetti noodles, shred chicken add cream of mushroom soup to cooked noodles, add garlic mushroom mixture, add 3/4 cup of chicken broth, pepper jack cheese, parmesan cheese, and mix it all together.
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God bless you sir
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I love you too
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that sounds absurdly good
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Fluffi-dono wrote:Today I had to do an oral exam. And guess what. I was done with every task after mere 50 seconds. My teacher said no one was as fast as that ever since she works as a teacher. And she is like 50 or so.
Can't have been that much fun for the teacher.
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Oh, and for what it's worth on an old topic, Operation Lollipop is fairly new, and Tumblr was shit before then.

I'm no conservative. I'm against conservatism and especially reactionism as a principle. By the way, I'm using these terms and later ones in their actual meaning, not whatever American domestic politics has distorted them to mean, since I can't be buggered keeping up with that. I'm sure if you asked all the people on Tumblr who get hyper-offended about things their political opinion, they would say they're progressive, or liberal, which apparently in America means progressive for some reason despite the fact that we have liberal institutions and so it's completely possible to be a liberal conservative, but whatever. I mean, how could you be for gay and/or trans rights and not be progressive, unless you live somewhere where their equality is already enshrined in institutions, assuming there is one?

Yet progressivism as an ideology advocates change and abandonment of the present and the past, whether gradual or sudden. Change will always hurt some people. The ideology rests on the assumption that the betterment of the many is worth the hurt to the few, and on the belief that the status quo should never be immune to challenge. How is a position that no-one should ever be offended under any circumstances in any way consistent with a progressivist position? I can understand the argument that you shouldn't offend someone with their hurt as your sole intention, but I cannot reconcile progressivism with the belief that incidental offense should be avoided even if it means compromising or abandoning a reasoned argument, entire discussion, or scientific fact, nor can I understand how anyone can. What's the difference between a scientific fact that offends a right-winger with a scientific fact that offends a left-winger, other than the latter would get you shit on Tumblr?

From what I can see, Tumblr used a groundswell of internet progressivism to create a virtual progressivist state and, once doing so, promptly became extremely reactionary in their conservatism to protect said state's ideological position. This is common among progressivist groups: you can see it in socialist and communist groups worldwide, and it always ends the same way, just as Tumblr has: in endless infighting and purging to drive those with "impure ideologies" out, as the least progressive become the new enemy until eventually there's no-one left in the group.

Now, if Tumblr didn't become insular, reactionary, and obsessed with ideological purity, maybe they wouldn't receive widespread mockery, maybe they'd actually achieve something (to the limited extent internet activism can achieve anything, which is to say, to virtually no extent at all: how'd those meme posters against Mubarak turn out?), and they certainly wouldn't be vulnerable to conservative subversion like Operation Lollipop. Lollipop isn't unique anyway, and the tactic isn't unique to conservatives: conservative groups, especially reactionary ones, are just as vulnerable to becoming insular and obsessed with purity, and those that do can and have been subverted by progressivist groups before. To bring up 4chan's /pol/, which started Operation Lollipop, do you really think all the hyper-racists on there genuinely believe that? I'm sure most do, but some are progressives pretending to believe that and deliberately sounding stupid in the process. How else would progressives know about Operation Lollipop in the first place if not for subversives on the inside? I forget who said that the best way to attack someone's position is to defend it with deliberately flimsy arguments, but they were definitely right.

tl;dr Tumblr is shit.
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Doctor Shemp wrote:Yet progressivism as an ideology advocates change and abandonment of the present and the past, whether gradual or sudden. Change will always hurt some people. The ideology rests on the assumption that the betterment of the many is worth the hurt to the few, and on the belief that the status quo should never be immune to challenge. How is a position that no-one should ever be offended under any circumstances in any way consistent with a progressivist position? I can understand the argument that you shouldn't offend someone with their hurt as your sole intention, but I cannot reconcile progressivism with the belief that incidental offense should be avoided even if it means compromising or abandoning a reasoned argument, entire discussion, or scientific fact, nor can I understand how anyone can.
Thanks for putting this into actually thought-out, reasonable sentences. It's kinda hard to formulate complicated stuff like this in "the heat of the moment", when posts are churned out every few seconds, so I appreciate your work.

Anyways, now for the very long overdue cynic comment:
Doctor Shemp wrote:What's the difference between a scientific fact that offends a right-winger with a scientific fact that offends a left-winger, other than the latter would get you shit on Tumblr?
The difference is that tumblr left-wingers are completely right in their opinions and views. Of course. 100%. No discussion needed. That's why, if you "trigger" them, it automatically means you're wrong!
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Doctor Shemp wrote:Oh, and for what it's worth on an old topic, Operation Lollipop is fairly new, and Tumblr was shit before then.

I'm no conservative. I'm against conservatism and especially reactionism as a principle. By the way, I'm using these terms and later ones in their actual meaning, not whatever American domestic politics has distorted them to mean, since I can't be buggered keeping up with that.
Anyway... As for your other points on the merits, etc. of progressivism as an ideal. It's extremely interesting and made for an enlightening read. However, I am not properly qualified to really have that debate. My knowledge on the progressive vs non-progressive ideological dispute is purely historically based. Normally the progressive ideal is the right one to follow historically, even if it ruffles feathers or starts wars, but obviously at times that too can be taken to extreme (Stalin, Mao... I mean, Mao was great with women's rights, but pretty much everything else sucked). And because I'm so historically minded I can only guess and speculate as to present day politics based on that history. And that's not really useful except in certain circumstances where parallels are obvious. I could certainly discuss other topics such as gender studies, etc. that I am trained in (though not an expert of... Nor would I really want to be. I have some issues with that field's academic rigour at times. Lots of great, amazing work and lots of work that's more concerned with form than argument or fact), but grand-level political concepts such as modern day progressive and non-progressive ideals is something I'm strictly limited in most circumstances to having an opinion on rather than speaking with any real knowledge or authority.
Yet you're 100% convinced that your opinion on political issues like the one that was the topic of yesterday's drama is always completely correct, and go so far as to belittle and make fun of anyone who expresses an opinion that differs from yours.
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Pssst, Horikawa, the mods have stated a cease and desist as for as Septentrion drama goes, you might want to drop it.
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Horikawa Otane wrote:Have you thought of going into political science? You seem to have a mind for it. It's also a relatively lucrative field... Assuming you get a job in it in the first place (not too bad provided you go to the right grad schools and do well).
Thanks. I have some study background in politics. I can't imagine realistically getting a job in its theoretical application though, since that would mean a university position, and the current Australian government's plan is to slash university funding and have them raise costs to make up the shortfall, and universities have the view that the first faculty to be cut in any cost-cutting exercise is the arts faculty (which politics of course falls under). That's documented in practice, too, since there's been many much smaller cuts in the past and they've always hit arts first. I don't know how that compares to the American model; the government says it's trying to replicate the American model, and the opposition is accusing them of trying to replicate the American model, so clearly both sides have very different ideas of what the American model actually entails and its merits or lack of them.

For reference, the current Australian model is that the government will pay for most of your education themselves, with the exact amount depending on the degree, with the rest being financed through a very low-interest government loan that you start to pay back when your income surpasses a given level. The total cost of the degree is capped by law. The current government plans to drastically cut the portion that they pay for themselves, significantly increase the interest rate of the loan, decrease the income threshold at which you have to start repaying it, and remove the cap on the cost of the degree. The biggest universities in the country have said that the changes will mean that they'll have to either double or triple the cost of degrees, depending on the degree, if they want to avoid further cuts to their faculties. It's either that or go bankrupt. Personally I expect them to cut, since even the reduced price signals of a long-term loan will bite low-income families when the loan is that big. That's assuming of course that the changes pass the Senate, which is anyone's guess, considering that the balance of power is now hold by a popularist party that got in largely on a protest vote from the "a pox on both your houses" section of the electorate (a byproduct of compulsory voting).

Basically what I'm saying here is that I don't see a future, or at least a future that isn't incredibly competitive, in arts academia in Australia, and moving internationally would be even more competitive, but I'm flattered that you'd think I have the potential for it, even if that was largely a reproduction of an undergraduate argument. I suppose though that an undergraduate argument in an unfamiliar field is impressive. I'm lost whenever my friend who did philosophy starts talking about that, for example.
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Raining all week
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Fluffi-dono wrote:Raining all week
Just like in my heart
Il pleure dans mon coeur
Comme il pleut sur la ville ;
Quelle est cette langueur
Qui pénètre mon coeur ?

And I don't remember the rest. Not bad considering I was required to learn it for French class 9 years ago though.
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Rain is good. It keeps the plants watered so that I can afford to skip doing that myself.
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Bean wrote:Rain is good. It keeps the plants watered so that I can afford to skip doing that myself.
There are no plants in my heart

Only thorns

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Fluffi-dono wrote:
Bean wrote:Rain is good. It keeps the plants watered so that I can afford to skip doing that myself.
There are no plants in my heart

Only thorns

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Don't þorns grow on plants
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