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I don't even use the official player (I use ViewTube, unless it's an age-restricted video in which case I download with youtube-dl and watch with a locally installed video player), so I couldn't even watch the ads if I wanted to.
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So apparently if someone else posts your videos on youtube, it is categorized under privacy instead of impersonation or scam.

"Content with personal information or videos of you that have been uploaded without your permission, can be considered as invasion of privacy."

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/142443

Seems to be a 6 step process and fairly hidden. Took a while to find, due to way it is set up to look like an answer.
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I'm honestly surprised we haven't seen more legal action against Google for all the automated system/policy abuse nonsense by now. Like, from what I can tell the last time there was some big class-action suit against them was in 2014?

We've been seeing more pushback through movements like WTFU lately, and that's a nice start, but nothing sends a stronger message here in the good ol' US of A like everyone banding together to sue the butt off someone.
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Rockythechao wrote:I'm honestly surprised we haven't seen more legal action against Google for all the automated system/policy abuse nonsense by now. Like, from what I can tell the last time there was some big class-action suit against them was in 2014?

We've been seeing more pushback through movements like WTFU lately, and that's a nice start, but nothing sends a stronger message here in the good ol' US of A like everyone banding together to sue the butt off someone.
They're a business, so they're allowed to get away with it.

It isn't illegal in any way to have shitty, vauge rules for your website.
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Rockythechao wrote:I'm honestly surprised we haven't seen more legal action against Google for all the automated system/policy abuse nonsense by now. Like, from what I can tell the last time there was some big class-action suit against them was in 2014?

We've been seeing more pushback through movements like WTFU lately, and that's a nice start, but nothing sends a stronger message here in the good ol' US of A like everyone banding together to sue the butt off someone.
They're a business, so they're allowed to get away with it.

It isn't illegal in any way to have shitty, vauge rules for your website.
I mean, yes and no. My understanding is that they've had the stuff responsible for the current controversy in effect for a year but hadn't updated the terms of service to reflect that until now.

You're right in that there's probably no case against Google for dumb rules alone, and it was kind of thoughtless of me to suggest as much. I do still wonder if a suit over the way they've handled informing users of those rules and conducting themselves in line with them would hold any water. Logically, if two parties have a contract and of them doesn't stick to their part of it and/or changes the terms for the other party without them having any means of finding out... that'd be the basis for a legitimate grievance, right?

It seems like in many of these cases folks don't learn about the policy changes until they're affected by them. To be fair, I don't know whether it's usually a matter of them not being informed or they were and just hadn't been paying attention. They could've even been violating policy before the change and Google only just decided to hold them accountable, in which case they user is definitely in the wrong... though that also goes back to whether being inconsistent with enforcing rules is actionable or not.

idk. I'm probably working under some pretty erroneous assumptions here. For all my talk, I'm definitely no expert on the matter.
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Google can do whatever it wants with its servers. They don't need to let anyone upload videos, or even continue to run the service at all. If you don't like it, you can run your own video hosting site (and you can even do it quite easily thanks to Mediagoblin; heck, some people already do that, e.g. goblinrefuge.com). You just have to be prepared to deal with the associated costs.
I do still wonder if a suit over the way they've handled informing users of those rules and conducting themselves in line with them would hold any water.
Nope. No U.S. law requires any website to have a clear or consistent policy at all. If raocow decided to censor all posts that contain the word "world" and ban all users whose usernames include "world" or some variation, he has a right to do so, regardless of whether or not the rules allow the use of the word "world".
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Mediagoblin, eh? Interesting... I definitely am not prepared to run my own hosting site, but it's neat that that service exists.

But yeah, fair enough. And I mean, even if there was a case against them, they're a massive corporation with tons of money, likely have some of the best lawyers, etc etc etc.
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Why do these videos from "VideoLog" keep showing up in my history?
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I'm not one to normally link to ExtraCredits but this sounds like this:

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Jim Sterling actually had a decent take on it:


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Rewarding a system people hate, bad idea. There should instead be tougher action taken against bad behaviors of false flagging.
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Feels like a great way to pretend to earn good cred and then abuse power and flag videos of people they don't like. Another dumb idea. As ano0maly's saying, it's better to have better protection from and harsher penalties for those kind of false copyright claims in general.
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It's not a paid position, which means the only people who'll do it are.. y'know.. kind of the losers of society? Maybe I'm being presumptuous.
Speaking of losers, YouTube are a bunch of losers because this is obviously a way of them getting moderators to check videos without having to actually spend money to pay moderators to check videos. 0/10
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What did youtube do to the comment sections, oh my word that looks bad.
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Twitch just announced video uploads. Curious to see if anyone moves from Youtube to Twitch.
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Just saw the news. I hope Twitch puts some real pressure on YouTube so they finally will have to try. Nobody is in a better situation to compete YouTube than Twitch. This could be huge if they play their cards right.
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SAJewers wrote:Twitch just announced video uploads. Curious to see if anyone moves from Youtube to Twitch.
Likely not. I mean, there are some people who have moved from Twitch to YouTube because YouTube hasn't banned as many games.
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To be fair, their banned games list is almost all Adult games anyway.
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SAJewers wrote:To be fair, their banned games list is almost all Adult games anyway.
If you think Yandere Sim is an adult game you probably have no experience with it. It's more or less an anime-themed Hitman game.
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Hence "almost all".
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SAJewers wrote:Hence "almost all".
So what exactly is being fair about it then? It's very clearly an outlier on their list.
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No, that's what I mean; it's an outlier.

If I had to guess a reason, it's probably the same reason the ESRB gave Hatred an AO rating.
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SAJewers wrote:No, that's what I mean; it's an outlier.

If I had to guess a reason, it's probably the same reason the ESRB gave Hatred an AO rating.
Ah, you should've made that clearer then. The "to be fair" ended up making it sound like it was actually justified. And the dev can't even find out why Twitch banned the game which is pretty stupid. He's tried repeatedly to at least get them to inform him why so he could consider whether it's something he might be willing to change but they flat out won't respond.
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