on the recent addition of the Pronouns box

Wolfolotl · Post by **Wolfolotl** » 9 years ago

okay so I guess this goes here in the gazebo? if it doesn't please inform me
I'm legitimately really really happy this was added because it makes referring to people a lot simpler and!! and I can be passively but openly nonbinary and this is really great
kudos to whomever made this decision and implemented it!

void · Post by **void** » 9 years ago

oh hey this is nifty

dreading inevitable assholes who think they're being "clever" "swag/swagger/swagself"
at least until they get caught anyways, since someone (rena?) is likely to be the one who implemented it and moderating use

Leet · Post by **Leet** » 9 years ago

those people have already been taking care of when it was first introduced. so there should not be too many instances of it from here on out.

InsaneIntentions1 · Post by **InsaneIntentions1** » 9 years ago

Guess I can't set it to wumbo?

Ashan · Post by **Ashan** » 9 years ago

skell/skelly/skellself

InsaneIntentions1 · Post by **InsaneIntentions1** » 9 years ago

Ashan wrote:skell/skelly/skellself

I wanna use this, dammit

Leet · Post by **Leet** » 9 years ago

Leet wrote:those people have already been taking care of when it was first introduced. so there should not be too many instances of it from here on out.

i guess i was wrong

void · Post by **void** » 9 years ago

y'all "jokesters" do realize making a game out of it is like, exactly the reason nonbinary folk are shoved under the rug, right
like, others who sincerely want to use alternative pronouns only to have people make a joke out of it
like-- exactly the reason i myself and others would be hesitant to try other pronoun sets that would work for them
it's pretty unfair, yo

Ashan · Post by **Ashan** » 9 years ago

Y'all realize the reason the gay/lesbian movement has gotten as far as it has is because people's weren't so stuck up about it, and they just reclaimed all of the "bad" stuff associated with them.
If people just screamed "offensive" at everything, we'd still be in 2007 as far as that movement is concerned.

Ditocoaf · Post by **Ditocoaf** » 9 years ago

Ashan wrote:Y'all realize the reason the gay/lesbian movement has gotten as far as it has is because people's weren't so stuck up about it, and they just reclaimed all of the "bad" stuff associated with them.
If people just screamed "offensive" at everything, we'd still be in 2007 as far as that movement is concerned.

Your understanding of how gay people came to be better off now than they were in previous decades is seriously flawed, man.

Wolfolotl · Post by **Wolfolotl** » 9 years ago

yo don't be a piece of shit about pronouns or you'll reek Bad Ally
like seriously it's disrespectful as hell and I immediately trust anyone who makes fun of pronouns a lot less

Leet · Post by **Leet** » 9 years ago

Ashan wrote:Y'all realize the reason the gay/lesbian movement has gotten as far as it has is because people's weren't so stuck up about it, and they just reclaimed all of the "bad" stuff associated with them.
If people just screamed "offensive" at everything, we'd still be in 2007 as far as that movement is concerned.

have you considered shutting the fuck up about problems that you a) know nothing about, b) aren't affected by thus causing you to lack perspective, and c) are directly contributing to when you say things like this?

Post by **Mata Hari** » 9 years ago

Leet is trans?

Leet · Post by **Leet** » 9 years ago

Well, Horikawa, you're right. But I don't think I personally could explain the problems without being angry about it, because I'm just too tired of seeing people act like this. I've tried being more subdued and polite on other websites and it usually accomplishes nothing which is why I'm now usually more blunt about if I think somebody's doing something blatantly wrong.

Well, maybe I can try.

Particularly, what Ashan is advocating can't even apply to this context, which is what makes me so mad. How are people supposed to "reclaim" the mocking of the concept of pronouns? Or, because Ashan was talking more broadly about LGBT issues in general, there are numerous more situations in which you can't apply this logic to. And it shifts responsibility from who needs to change onto the oppressed, saying "if you don't like us hurting you, you can't speak up about it." It's an unwinnable situation. So it makes me so angry to see such a blatantly unfair viewpoint being voiced.

Snakebite969 · Post by **Snakebite969** » 9 years ago

I don't trust myself with the pronouns box.

Therefore I will post my preferred pronouns here

Actually I still don't trust myself posting them here.

yogui · Post by **yogui** » 9 years ago

Stop adding new things Rena. I never know if you're just joking or if you're serious.

Anyway I will use this field as a joke like I do with every other fields.

Lunikyuu · Post by **Lunikyuu** » 9 years ago

I'd just like to add that I honestly don't think most people who used joke pronouns meant to mock anyone else. It's not really that obvious to most people (or at least not to me until it was discussed in the Twitter thread) who haven't dealt with this issue before that this type of joke would be seen as offensive to some people, especially given the nature of the talkhaus and how every profile field has had joke answers for it up until this point. Also I don't think the seriousness of the field was explained to people until a while after the pronoun field was made (apologies if it was and I somehow missed it).
fake edit: well this probably wasn't the best timing for this message...

real edit: and it seems I did miss that obvious text box next to the profile field... (though I don't know if it was always there or not)

hopefully-not-an-accidental-quote edit: yeah, I'm dumb, ignore this message

Dizzybelle · Post by **Dizzybelle** » 9 years ago

i think its a great idea, especially for non-binary or people who are frustrated with being mislabeled.

im not gonna use it, because its not a big deal for me, but all power to those that do.
good rena you did a good thing

void · Post by **void** » 9 years ago

it's really hard to not be continually pissed about it because people still insist on trying to make fun out of it whe it's not really their place to
edit:
probably a little angrier sounding than it needs to because i'm having a shit morning but i'm just really exhausted by things like this and Still being pushed aside for trying to discuss my issues as nonbinary

yeah nevermind i'm fucking tired i give up

devil†zukin · Post by **devil†zukin** » 9 years ago

Lunatic Quark wrote:I'd just like to add that I honestly don't think most people who used joke pronouns meant to mock anyone else. It's not really that obvious to most people (or at least not to me until it was discussed in the Twitter thread) who haven't dealt with this issue before that this type of joke would be seen as offensive to some people, especially given the nature of the talkhaus and how every profile field has had joke answers for it up until this point. Also I don't think the seriousness of the field was explained to people until a while after the pronoun field was made (apologies if it was and I somehow missed it).

fake edit: well this probably wasn't the best timing for this message...

real edit: and it seems I did miss that obvious text box next to the profile field... (though I don't know if it was always there or not)

yeah it was always there, and yeah ppl were being nasty about it

see: twitter thread

Unaniem · Post by **Unaniem** » 9 years ago

Just would like to say that I apologise if I was one of the nastier people with the fooling around with the box. I was really just trying to drive my usual nonsense train and didn't know it was going to be so hard felt with many people.

Sorel · Post by **Sorel** » 9 years ago

If the prefered pronoun field I use offends someone, please let me know and I will change it.

Wolfolotl · Post by **Wolfolotl** » 9 years ago

sighing @ the people who treat the pronoun box like a joke
really sighing @ the most likely cis people who just say it's okay to joke about it and peps shouldn't be offended by it (plus Ashan has like. zero idea how reclaiming stuff works)
I just wanted this to be a fun nonbinary positivity party I never asked for disrespectful ne'er-do-wells

yogui · Post by **yogui** » 9 years ago

>using cis non ironically
>people actually getting offended by these little jokes
>this pronoun box isn't a joke
Welp. This is too much for me. I'm never gonna visit the gazebo again. Sorry for everyone I've offended here.

PS: Rena is it possible to have an option to hide the pronoun field of the other users? Seeing all these users with non-conventional pronouns trigger me.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

randoguy101 · Post by **randoguy101** » 9 years ago

man is it really that big a deal to not make a joke precisely once? like does that take excruciating effort?
I think this is great because I always wonder if I'm referring to someone correctly. I'm not personally offended by the joke pronouns but yall are being super stubborn about offending people

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