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1.5 or so days left guys. Do your best to get them matches in!
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Ani Vs BK

Round 1 :

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Round 3 :

according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee...

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The En vs Tela match is getting an extension due to excess internet connection issues. But only a couple days.
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GlitchedGhost vs Piter Lauchy

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En is dropping out.

So at this point I either need to find a replacement or just have a bye every round from now on.
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Animita wrote:Ani Vs BK

Round 1 :

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ubers-335634162

0-1 Bk


Round 2 :

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ubers-337927623

0-2 Bk


Round 3 :

according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee...

hey sturg. i may or may not have said this before. but will-o-wisp and foul play? for reals?

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3 hours til the round ends.

As for next tourney, I did an example of randomly 8 typings and this happened.
Ghost - Banette, Cofagrigus, Dusknoir, Mismagius
Fire Rock - Magcargo
Grass Dark - Cacturne, Shiftry
Electric Fairy - Dedenne
Water Flying - Gyarados, Mantine, Pelipper, Swanna
Bug Steel - Durant, Escavalier, Forretress, Scizor, Wormadam
Normal - Ambipom, Audino, Blissey, Bouffalant, Castform, Cinccino, Delcatty, Ditto, Dunsparce, Exploud, Furfrou, Furret, Kangaskhan, Kecleon, Lickilicky, Linoone, Lopunny, Miltank, Persian, PorygonZ, Purugly, Raticate, Regigigas, Slaking, Smeargle, Snorlax, Spinda, Stantler, Stoutland, Tauros, Ursaring, Watchog, Zangoose
Ice - Avalugg, Beartic, Cryogonal, Glaceon, Glalie, Regice, Vanilluxe

Anybody see the problem? Normals for days. Potentially what I could do is divide up the typings with a lot of pokemon to them:
Flying Bug - 9 (4,5 alphabetically)
Normal Flying - 10 (5,5 alphabetically)
Fighting - 10 (5,5 alphabetically)
Fire - 11 (5,6 alphabetically)
Electric - 13 (6,7 alphabetically)
Grass - 14 (7,7 alphabetically)
Psychic - 17 (5,6,6 alphabetically)
Water - 23 (5,6,6,6 alphabetically)
Normal - 33 (6,6,5,6,6,4 alphabetically)
The numbers here for splitting them up is an example.

Beyond those the next highest is 7 types which is Ice.
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Well that's time. For now everyone who didn't get their matches done gets a tie.

Round 6 matches are set. For now there's simply a bye in the round. So yeah someone isn't playing next round as of currently. I'm wondering if I should just take over the remaining slot.
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How are you generating these lists? I think there might be a way to weigh the chances of picking type combinations such that the ones with a lot of pokemon are picked far less often than combinations with only a few pokemon.

You'd have to tune it a bit though, so that it doesn't go overboard and give the player nothing but unique combinations with only one pokemon to choose from each type.
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spittySynthyHands wrote:How are you generating these lists? I think there might be a way to weigh the chances of picking type combinations such that the ones with a lot of pokemon are picked far less often than combinations with only a few pokemon.
At present I just have it where I just take 8 in a row after randomizing all 373 pokemon types
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pholtos wrote:Well that's time. For now everyone who didn't get their matches done gets a tie.

Round 6 matches are set. For now there's simply a bye in the round. So yeah someone isn't playing next round as of currently. I'm wondering if I should just take over the remaining slot.
I could always drop out to round it off. I've been busy lately as I've been working, so getting matches done will be difficult.
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I think that out of all those Normals...
Everyone's just going to pick Kangaskhan. ...If we were all uncreative, that is.

That being said, I think the divisions by name for larger groups will be a good idea for the next tourney.
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GlitchedGhost wrote:I could always drop out to round it off. I've been busy lately as I've been working, so getting matches done will be difficult.
If you really want out, then let me know.
Zephyr_DragonLord wrote:I think that out of all those Normals...
Everyone's just going to pick Kangaskhan. ...If we were all uncreative, that is.
Now now kanga isn't the by all and end all choice for normals. :P
Every pokemon has it's use, even unown. :P (He totally does, don't listen to the sedron person. :P)

As for how I'm gonna do this, I present a prototype for accessing the typings.

Currently in there is one clickable link to my pastebin that I use for each round. :P
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Some comments from my side of things:

1) I don't think the random-typing gimmick for next tourney is set in stone yet. pholtos and I have had a difficult time coming up with ways to make it work and I think there are still valid concerns for using it, so if any of you guys have anything you want to point out with the system or have ideas for better gimmicks, let us know. That said, pholtos has done a lot of work with it so I'd imagine he's leaning towards it.

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Zephyr_DragonLord wrote:I think that out of all those Normals...
Everyone's just going to pick Kangaskhan. ...If we were all uncreative, that is.
I think we're going to divide larger groups in such a way that the overlap between mons will be minimal. For example, a group of 5 Normal-type mons will include, say, a set-up sweeper, a revenge killer, a tank, etc. As for your specific example, none of the mons in the last few tournies where we've used my movesets have actually used Mega Stones, so Kangaskhan is actually pretty tame.

3) I am in the process of doing an update to the movesets. So far I haven't seen anything totally out of whack in terms of power level so it isn't for balance's sake so much as it is to mix things up a bit for the next tourney. I've also been given the go-ahead to use Megas this time (I think pholtos felt bad for Beedrill when I said he sucks without his Mega,) so expect some number of those. Not every mon with a Mega will be getting their Stone since we aren't using Ubers, so still no Mega Khan, Blaziken, Gengar, etc. If anyone has any suggestions or balance concerns please post them in this thread or pm me (just know that I need a very convincing argument to really nerf something.)

Finally,

4) Don't use Unown. S'bad.
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sedron wrote:4) Don't use Unown. S'bad.
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pholtos wrote:
GlitchedGhost wrote:I could always drop out to round it off. I've been busy lately as I've been working, so getting matches done will be difficult.
If you really want out, then let me know.
I think I will for this tourney. I'll definitely have to come back for future tournaments.
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For alternative ideas, there are some alternative playstyles on Showdown. ...Some of them may be too complex for the purposes of hosting a tourney here, though.

Yeah, regular Kangaskhan is quite tame. Slaking might be a potentially big issue in our current style due to the additional levels it has....

Keep in mind Beedrill gets Endeavor and Tailwind, so its non-Mega form isn't useless...
Also, Unown is officially the humiliation after you paralyze and confuse the whole opposing team with Klefki. This is now canon.

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Using Unown is utterly unusual, as useless, unfit, undoubtably unqualified pokemon abound, underlining how unfortunate, undesirable it is. Lacks unpredictability, ultimately unable to unsettle or unease even, unsound and unused for a reason, not unknown to the ubiquitous trainer, understanding how unsuited, undesirable, Unown unmistakably manages to be. Uniquely, unquestioningly, unmentionably bad, unnecesary and ungodly awful, useful only to ultimately humiliate the unwary and unassuming. Unleashed, an underdog unlikely to win, unless unprecedented misfortune befalls the enemy. Its unrivalled reputation is far from unwarranted.

So, basically, it's a 'mon for styling on people. And I approve of that.
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Zephyr_DragonLord wrote:For alternative ideas, there are some alternative playstyles on Showdown. ...Some of them may be too complex for the purposes of hosting a tourney here, though.

Yeah, regular Kangaskhan is quite tame. Slaking might be a potentially big issue in our current style due to the additional levels it has....

Keep in mind Beedrill gets Endeavor and Tailwind, so its non-Mega form isn't useless...
Also, Unown is officially the humiliation after you paralyze and confuse the whole opposing team with Klefki. This is now canon.

For extra hilarity, I have found a way to become a literal Pokémon wizard.
When we're talking about gimmicks, we mainly mean new ways to hand out random mons, I think.

I don't think I've actually seen anybody CHOOSE Slaking since we started using my sets, though I haven't watched every match so I could be wrong. That said, the dude is ruined by Protect/Detect and has a hard time breaking through Pokemon with recovery moves, on top of being predictable, so I'd imagine it's not a big deal. The level advantage isn't that problematic either, since Slaking's stats are already way above average.
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