The New Nintendo 3DS

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The New Nintendo 3DS

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So, in case anyone missed it (I know I did until I saw a Reddit thread on it) Nintendo showed off their new Nintendo 3DS models today.

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Some notable new features:

- Normal and XL versions
- Second Analogue Nub
- Both have slightly bigger screen than previous versions
- ZL and ZR buttons
- Normal size has changeable faceplace and back cover (not XL)
- Back cover is removable for both, access to Micro SD and battery
- NFC
- Faster CPU
- Better browser, Miiverse and download speeds
- Out in Japan on 11th October
- Will have exclusive games
-Some kind of facial tracking to keep the 3D from blurring if your head isn't centred
-Micro SD instead of SD
-Auto brightness

I'm not sure how I feel but I probably will make the upgrade, if not only for the fact that my OG 3DS decided its shoulder buttons would just stop working at one point. I'm pretty disappointed they won't be upgrading the screens, and I'm hoping they make the battery last longer.

So, what are your thoughts?
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Interesting. :)
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Slightly sad that there'll be some games you can only play on this new version. I like my old (Ambassador) 3DS. :c
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I'm a little put off by the design of the new one. The Nintendo Direct did the little animated close-up fly-by of the thing, and it looks kinda... Bad.
It's all chunky and bumpy and slightly thicker than the old one and they put like EVERYTHING where the headphone jack is on the current 3DS (the cartridge slot is there now, and so is the power button)

Maybe it's just change. I don't know. Regardless, if it's really faster like they say it is I'm all for it because the 3DS feels so clunky when you're navigating it and have to wait for a freaking load screen just to get into the settings menu.
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Regarding 3DSes (I'm sure there's a better way of saying that) and Wii Us (...and that), I'm just hoping for the ability to have multiple systems of each type share one NNID.

...That's probably not that relevant, is it?
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Well, uh, that looks mostly pretty nice, but it REALLY bugs me that some games will be exclusive to these. I've never felt any desire to buy any upgraded versions of previous consoles, and this is no exception. Really not pleased with how current 3DS owners would have to shell out the money for a whole new console just to play some later 3DS games. I guess maybe there could be some new or better software to take advantage of, or maybe those new buttons will play a part, but... Honestly. It's as pathetic-sounding as it would be if they decided they could justify making Game Boy Advance SP games.

That aside, though, it does look like a nice improvement. Certainly more substantial-looking of a change than the ones for the GBA and DS were. If I didn't already have a 3DS, I might actually consider paying the little bit extra for one of these rather than a standard one.
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No, it's like they decided to make GBC-only games to take advantage of the GBC's unique features...which they actually did.
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And of course the new and improved model - now that I already have one I'm happy with - has accesible Start and Select buttons.

I just wish they'd wise up and map start to X just like they mapped select to Y for the NES and GB virtual console.
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Oh man colored buttons! Ever since I learned that the Japanese SNES controller had multicolored buttons, I've always been disappointed that our SNES controllers weren't as colorful, though I'm probably the only one who cares about that :lol: . Also, I'm really glad that the new one can supposedly display 3D despite orientation. That was the major thing that made me not use 3D because holding my 3DS in the exact right position to see the 3D just wasn't comfortable for me. It is really lame that there will be exclusive games though. I mean, I guess that is the one thing that would justify me getting one, but still, I'm kinda short on cash...

Also, is the New Nintendo 3DS what it's actually going to be called or will there be a different name? Putting the word "New" in front of something isn't exactly... well, new anymore
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Yeah, the official name of the console is "New Nintendo 3DS" from what I can tell.
You can see the announcement at 49:00 here:

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What kind of a name is that? NSMB made sense since it was so long since the last SMB game when it came out, but that's really not the case here.

The buttons look bigger but that could be an optical illusion. I hope they are though because I always thought the 3DS buttons were a little too small to be comfortable.

I very much doubt it'll last that long though. If we accept that this is the Game Boy Color to the 3DS' Game Boy, which seems to be the case, then remember that the Game Boy Advance came out fairly soon after the Color (about 3 years), compared to the Color coming out about 9 years after the original GB. Considering in this case that the 3DS has only been around for 3 years, they seem to have really compressed the cycle, so I'd expect an entirely new handheld fairly soon.

Although this whole thing raises the question: what the hell was the point of the 2DS? It seemed to be a recognition that quite a few people wanted to play 3DS games but didn't want the 3D, whether it's because they don't like 3D, they can't see 3D, it gives them headaches, it drains the battery, or whatever, and didn't want to pay for a feature they weren't going to use. But now that they've announced, less than a year after it came out, that it won't be able to play some new 3DS games that are coming out, including ones that won't rely on 3D, it seems like a big middle finger to people who bought the 2DS.
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Ometeotl wrote:No, it's like they decided to make GBC-only games to take advantage of the GBC's unique features...which they actually did.
Fair enough, I guess. My bad for not realizing this was more like a brand new console instead of an upgrade.

Y'know, I actually considered writing "they may as well just pretend it's a whole new console" in that post before deciding it was long enough as it is, but apparently they are, and that's because it is, and I didn't really get that memo at all until well after I had planted my foot in my mouth.

(woulda helped if they picked a clearer name though)
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Doctor Shemp wrote:Although this whole thing raises the question: what the hell was the point of the 2DS?
  • Affordability
  • parents of kids that want a 3DS but don't want them breaking the hinge a week after they bought them a 3DS (also 3D is apparently bad for kids' eyes)
  • people that wanted to just play the new Pokemon game but didn't want to pay full price for a 3DS.
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Ashan wrote:
Doctor Shemp wrote:Although this whole thing raises the question: what the hell was the point of the 2DS?
  • Affordability
  • parents of kids that want a 3DS but don't want them breaking the hinge a week after they bought them a 3DS (also 3D is apparently bad for kids' eyes)
  • people that wanted to just play the new Pokemon game but didn't want to pay full price for a 3DS.
That's not exactly what I meant. Those are all good reasons for the 2DS. I meant why make the 2DS and then render it at least patly obsolete less than a year later. The 2DS team would have known that the New 3DS was being worked on. I really doubt they've reached late 90s Sega dysfunction where no-one there knows what the other people are doing, which explains the 32x. It would have come out if they were.

Basically I'm saying that the timing doesn't make sense to me. If they came out at the same time it would have been a clear choice.
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The new 3DS doesn't render the 2DS obsolete. All 3 of the reasons I listed are still going to be valid once the new system is out. Unless the kid wants one of the new exclusive games in particular.
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That's why I said partly obsolete, but you never know. Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal were GBC exclusive after all. EDIT: Apparently just Crystal.
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Only Crystal was GBC exclusive.
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Really? Well, I stand corrected then.
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I like the new features and if I didn't already have a 3DSXL I'd probably get the New3DSXL. I question the idea of exclusive games though. Seems like you're inherently limiting your userbase when you decide to give an incremental upgrade exclusive titles midway through a console's life cycle.
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Interesting, but I don't see a need to upgrade to it yet as I own Xenoblade on the Wii and am perfectly fine with the old 3DS model I currently have. Others will appreciate the larger battery life, so it's good for those that haven't hopped on the bandwagon as of yet. Watch them announce Majora's Mask 3D for it down the road to make me have to think whether it's worth it or not.

Going by the GB and DS, this means the next actual handheld will most likely release in 2-3 years, which is what I was expecting anyway.
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I'm okay with this (except that name. I can hardly believe they've tagged "New" to yet another IP. That's totally not going to confuse people just like the Wii U did. Nope, not at all!), but just one thing: if Nintendo takes the worst-case scenario route and alienates their 40+ million-strong install base by never producing a 3DS/XL/2DS-compatible game again after this releases, what can be seen as a money grab on their part will end up ultimately hurting them in the long run.

All this release says to me is that I should be holding out even longer to purchase their handhelds, which is sad because I have always been a fairly early adopter of them (to my detriment, more often than not, even when I waited nearly two years to get a 3DS XL instead of the flawed original model), because no one ever knows when they'll pull this bull again. It was at least excusable with the GBC because of the nearly decade-long gap between it and the original GB, and most people don't care about the DSi exclusives because they don't seem to be noteworthy at all, but these are physical retail releases with actual effort put into them, here.
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Mineyl wrote:I'm okay with this (except that name. I can hardly believe they've tagged "New" to yet another IP. That's totally not going to confuse people just like the Wii U did. Nope, not at all!), but just one thing: if Nintendo takes the worst-case scenario route and alienates their 40+ million-strong install base by never producing a 3DS/XL/2DS-compatible game again after this releases, what can be seen as a money grab on their part will end up ultimately hurting them in the long run.
Judging from all the information available, the changes here have been made for 2 reasons. Firstly, the 3DS was limited when it was first released, and Nintendo realised this quite early on. They released the Circle Pad Pro to combat this, but almost no developers adopted it because it's a huge hit to sales to rely on a peripheral for your game to work. Because of this, Nintendo have incorporated it into the console itself to allow developers the extra freedom they sorely needed.

Secondly, Xenoblade Chronicles. They announced a port on the 3DS, and from what I understand, it requires a faster processor to run than the 3DS actually has (possibly because of the insane draw distances), not to mention also requiring the extra buttons and thumbstick. Re-releasing Xenoblade is a very business-smart move, considering that the original has been discontinued (and is now very rare and expensive), and the popularity of the series is likely to take a huge boost now that Shulk is in Smash Bros. (as tends to happen). If they were going to need either one of the faster processor or the new buttons, it makes sense to include both at once.

Personally, I'm quite happy with the new console. The naming probably will confuse some people, but I tend to put that down to their ignorance and impatience rather than something Nintendo did wrong (though they should really account for this), since every game released on a Nintendo console always has a very clear list on the back of all the consoles (at the time of the game's release) that it can be played on, as well as a generation or two back stating that it can't be played on those (to help avoid confusion). It will also likely have a big, multicoloured logo on the side that is different from the standard 3DS, much like the GBC logo was different from the GB one.

All in all though, Nintendo found flaws with their console and fixed them with a new console, not a peripheral patch. It's exactly what people would expect them to do, the only complaint I can see people making that has any real validity is the name, which perhaps could have been better. I myself was thinking of getting a new 3DS anyway, and now I think I'll hold off for one of these. It's a little annoying, because I already bought a Circle Pad Pro in preparation for Monster Hunter 4, but oh well. Judging from the Japanese info, the price is pretty reasonable, too. Converted, the Japanese price of the XL system is just over £100, and I paid over £200 for my 3DS on release, so it's not even that expensive, for a new system.
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I don't think it's a very smart move of Nintendo to release a new addition to their line of handhelds so early in the cycle of the last one. Since this really isn't an add-on, but more like a new 3DS entirely, which renders the old one rather useless. I'm sure we'll see some releases for the normal 3DS, but Nintendo is very likely to just strategically put the better titles on the new 3DS.

I think the entire reason the original 3DS fared so well is because it had a good starting price. The premise of the console was clear and the old DS really needed an update. There were some good titles on the 3DS and it sold over 44 million units on its own. The thing was honestly still pretty young.

The thing I dislike about this new 3DS too, is that they're being very transparent about how it's literally just an upgraded 3DS and nothing more. The console itself really doesn't add anything, similar to the Wii U. It kind of bothers me that they haven't learned anything yet. I mean, how many good games even were there on the 3DS yet? Certainly not as much as the normal DS had when the 3DS came out.

I'm not saying that I want Nintendo to fail on this one. It's just that I don't think it was a very smart move. Perhaps they should have just prepared the 3DS for a potential upgrade like they did with some of their other consoles so that its lifecycle could have been increased. It's just way too early to release something like this.
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