Cardflip II Day V - The Game Resumes

[Piter Lauchy]

Boring townie again, apparently. =(
Was hoping for a neutral role. Oh well.

[Telamon]

Hello.

It's my first day.

[Pikabread]

all this large text

[jayScribble]

Everyone do your best!

[Wolfolotl]

one 3p down. good, I guess
do you think it was revenge or a coincidence? who knows

[Wolfolotl]

double posting to avoid the wrath I will endure for editing a post

rule clarification: if mafia kills a killing role on the same night that the aforementioned role kills someone, does the killing role's kill still go through?

[Telamon]

If the consort/escort both visit the serial killer on the same day, they both die.

Man, that'd be one happy serial killer.

[Mikkofier]

Well, at least it won't be a complete repeat of last round.

[raekuul]

one 3p down. good, I guess
do you think it was revenge or a coincidence? who knows

Very likely revenge.

So are we going to have any actual discussion, or should I just put a random vote up for the sake of creating inertia?

[ParmaJon]

Its a little bit hard the first round so random lynch may be ok, so just to throw the thought out there, anyone wanna guess pichus role?

[pholtos]

Whelp. Dunno why there can't just be a "no one is lynched" if it comes down to that option. :/
Anyway like I said in the skype chat, I feel it'd be better to pick someone ourselves rather than letting rng decide.
I'm still used to the older mafia games where we could just not lynch anyone on a day if we didn't have any info and didn't want to pick anyone.

[ParmaJon]

In the skype chat we mentioned possibility of mikko being killing pichu due to revenge from last game, here is a quote from chat.
Quagsire "cold guy" - Today 7:24 PM
> Fair enough. The short version is that Pichu got both Wilhart (doctor) and Mikko (Sherriff) to reveal their roles. Pichu was mafia and killed Wilhart knowing that he wouldn't protect himself that night and then got Mikko lynched the following day (though...Mikko didn't exactly do a great job of defending himself...).
This is the closest thing we have to a lead.

[jayScribble]

Well, Pikabread was either a Serial Killer or a Jester, so if they was the Jester we don't have to worry about a wrong lynch biting back at us. If they were the Serial Killer, that's one objective done for the town and a few less unneeded deaths for the game.

[Mikkofier]

I'm just a regular boring townie this time around, unfortunately.

[raekuul]

After careful deliberation with my associates, I found out this new rule is necessary

12. A random lynch nominee will be selected at the beginning of each day. This person will be lynched if no one has voted.

The RNG Target for Day 1: pholtos.

This really should have been deliberated and established between games but we went from cardflip I to cardflip II in the flip of a card - and therefore left no time for this to be deliberated and established. In addition, how can we - the players as a whole - trust that your "RNG" target has all players weighted equally? How can the mafia members avoid getting smote by this on slow days without outing themselves as mafia members?

You need to consider all these things.
------------------------------------
Okay, now to bite off the heads of not-moderator peoples.

If they were the Serial Killer, that's one objective done for the town and a few less unneeded deaths for the game.

This is one of those cases where, theoretically no but in actuality yes - on the theoretical side a Serial Killer can act as a backup Vig (despite the town then running the risk of the SK deciding to screw the town over), particularly in cases where the SK feels they are unable to avoid playing Kingmaker (SK's on average rarely make it to midgame, let alone LYLO); on the practical side nobody really trusts each other long enough for a SK to step up as backup Vig (and SK screw is a valid concern when games hit that rare situation).

Plus the whole "helping to narrow the playing field" thing, which is always a good thing.

I'm just a regular boring townie this time around, unfortunately.

All we have at this point is your word. Unfortunately, nobody should be trusted at this early stage of the game; once evidence starts piling up and cards begin to flip, maybe we can trust your claim. For now, I'm regarding it as suspicious at best.

[ano0maly]

If you're mafia raise your hand

Rule #11 is incomplete, BTW 8flight

[raekuul]

@rakeul. The RNG concept was in play during game I. However, the target was never made public.

Okay, that's a little better, but the rule still should have been in place from the word go.

I guess I'm more miffed about "oh man literally three hours between the end of cardflip I and the official beginning of cardflip II" than anything else.

[Piter Lauchy]

Oh, nice. A Neutral killed right off the bat. I wonder why the Serial Killer didn't kill anyone. I mean, they have nothing to lose by killing the wrong person, right?
Anyway, Mikko got royally screwed over by Pikabread in the last game, so revenge does make sense. However, I don't think Mikko would do that because that would be fairly obvious (as evidenced by the immediate suspicion going on here). I'll jump on the bandwagon though, if someone decides to start that. Lynching a suspicious person is always better than letting RNG decide.
What I find really suspicious, though, is MechDragon777's behaviour in Skype:

[2:34:16 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I do not even know my role.
[2:34:51 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I was never sent a role PM
[2:34:59 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): Neither SMBXforums or Talkhausforums
[2:37:09 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I read the rules to the game, does that mean Talkhaus rules are difernt than the normal rules?
[2:38:16 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I read the post and never saw that line
[2:40:01 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I read the entire post
[2:41:09 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): Typically, all rules like that should be in the first post...
[2:41:35 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I do.
[2:41:56 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I just got home, and I noticed I was in a skype group, and I saw someone claim.
[2:42:13 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I also checked my Private messages on the forums, (both of them)
[2:42:20 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I then read the entire post,

(I left out people's explanations.)

Like, that's the exact thing I'd do if I was Mafia. Play dumb.
(Man, I should've used Skype for the last game. This is much more fun with it.)

[Piter Lauchy]

Aaand upon rereading my post (should really do that before submitting) I just realized that I made myself look like the Serial Killer by questioning their decisions and then claim that I'd play dumb if I was in that kind of position.


...crap.

[raekuul]

I guess I'll start the ball rolling, then. Either we can let things sit as they are (which kills Pholtos) or we can press forward with our current suspicions (Mikkofier). I'm leaning more towards Mikko simply because "that's the most likely way to get a flip," combined with their standing claim of Green (which does have a chance of being the GF instead of vanilla).

[Mikkofier]

Clearly I just can't win. I'm a suspect from the word go due to being screwed over by the first victim and defending myself just makes me more suspicious.

[bbbrrr_it_cold]

It does seem like it would be way too obvious for Mikko to be mafia and killed Pika. I brought it up on skype because someone had said that maybe Wilhart did it for revenge before it was pointed out that Wilhart wasn't here. And I considered that maybe MechDragon was trying to throw people off, but imo that is too good of acting like a noob to truly be acting.

Oh, nice. A Neutral killed right off the bat. I wonder why the Serial Killer didn't kill anyone.

Plenty of potential explanations, least of which being that two different people could have been killed last night but the doctor saved one. Like, I thought about this a lot in trying to decide if I thought Pika was Jester or Serial Killer and decided it was impossible to tell because of all the possible ways it could have played out.

In any case, I was holding off voting until we heard from Mikko and now that we have, I kind of don't want to vote for him. I think I'm gonna wait a bit more before casting a vote, since I do agree that we shouldn't let RNGesus decide our collective fate.

[MECHDRAGON777]

[2:34:16 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I do not even know my role.
[2:34:51 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I was never sent a role PM
[2:34:59 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): Neither SMBXforums or Talkhausforums
[2:37:09 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I read the rules to the game, does that mean Talkhaus rules are difernt than the normal rules?
[2:38:16 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I read the post and never saw that line
[2:40:01 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I read the entire post
[2:41:09 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): Typically, all rules like that should be in the first post...
[2:41:35 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I do.
[2:41:56 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I just got home, and I noticed I was in a skype group, and I saw someone claim.
[2:42:13 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I also checked my Private messages on the forums, (both of them)
[2:42:20 AM] Utsuho Reiuji (霊烏路空): I then read the entire post,

Really? I am sorry for not reading the third post on the thread.

It does seem like it would be way too obvious for Mikko to be mafia and killed Pika. I brought it up on skype because someone had said that maybe Wilhart did it for revenge before it was pointed out that Wilhart wasn't here. And I considered that maybe MechDragon was trying to throw people off, but imo that is too good of acting like a noob to truly be acting.

Does anyone know how to spell my username? For the record this is my fifth time playing a Mafia game, so yes, I am still new to it. I did win about half of the time though. I can play two mafia games and play one and host another at the same time, so that is good. The fourth game I joined is still going on, even though I was lynched on day 9. Anyway, I do also see the specious in Mikko, but still do not want to lynch him til we all know for certain he has enough evidence against him, which we can not dig up by day 1. Sorry for the long post everyone.

[Gardenolva]

Should we even vote as of now ? It's almost the end of the day is it not?

[Bedlam]

"Man, that'd be one happy serial killer."

This strikes me as very suspicious.


Telamon.